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Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:39 pm
by jbirds1210
I like it......what do you guys/girls think? Cheap enough I can't imagine a place that would restrict a kitten keyring :biggrinjester:

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Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:57 pm
by arod757
I think that's actually pretty cool. Looks harmless and could possibly cause some damage.

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:15 pm
by kitty
I like that. It's cheap, effective, and a good tool for a young women who are too young to legally carry. I may get one for my teenage daughter. Are they legal in Texas?

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:23 pm
by jbirds1210
kitty wrote:I like that. It's cheap, effective, and a good tool for a young women who are too young to legally carry. I may get one for my teenage daughter. Are they legal in Texas?

I do not believe that it is illegal, but I would love to hear the opinion of others. I suppose some could feel that it meets the definition of knife, but it does not appear to exceed the legal limitations in length (5.5 inches).

Jason

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:45 pm
by boomerang
It looks like a good Christmas gift for mall ninjas. "rlol"

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:53 pm
by jbirds1210
How do you like yours :rolll

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:16 pm
by flintknapper
jbirds1210 wrote:How do you like yours :rolll
:mrgreen:

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:34 pm
by bryang
Looks pretty interesting. I have a teenage grand-daughter that I worry about all the time. If it is legal in Texas I might get her one.

-geo

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:44 pm
by boomerang
jbirds1210 wrote:How do you like yours :rolll
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Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:26 pm
by KRM45
jbirds1210 wrote:
kitty wrote:I like that. It's cheap, effective, and a good tool for a young women who are too young to legally carry. I may get one for my teenage daughter. Are they legal in Texas?

I do not believe that it is illegal, but I would love to hear the opinion of others. I suppose some could feel that it meets the definition of knife, but it does not appear to exceed the legal limitations in length (5.5 inches).

Jason
I don't think they are legal... I think you might be better off with pepper spray on your key chain.
(8) "Knuckles" means any instrument that consists of finger rings or guards made of a hard substance and that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with a fist enclosed in the knuckles.
Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device; or
(9) a zip gun.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor's conduct was incidental to the performance of official duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.
(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor's possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the National Firearms Act, as amended.
(d) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor's conduct:
(1) was incidental to dealing with a switchblade knife, springblade knife, or short-barrel firearm solely as an antique or curio; or
(2) was incidental to dealing with armor-piercing ammunition solely for the purpose of making the ammunition available to an organization, agency, or institution listed in Subsection (b).
(e) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree unless it is committed under Subsection (a)(5) or (a)(6), in which event, it is a Class A misdemeanor.
(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section for the possession of a chemical dispensing device that the actor is a security officer and has received training on the use of the chemical dispensing device by a training program that is:
(1) provided by the Commission on Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Education; or
(2) approved for the purposes described by this subsection by the Texas Private Security Board of the Department of Public Safety.
(g) In Subsection (f), "security officer" means a commissioned security officer as defined by Section 1702.002, Occupations Code, or a noncommissioned security officer registered under Section 1702.221, Occupations Code.

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:32 pm
by HankB
KRM45 wrote: I don't think they are legal... I think you might be better off with pepper spray on your key chain.
(8) "Knuckles" means any instrument that consists of finger rings or guards made of a hard substance and that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with a fist enclosed in the knuckles.
Is the fist enclosed? It looks like it only covers two fingers . . . and two fingers don't make a fist.

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:47 pm
by KRM45
HankB wrote:
KRM45 wrote: I don't think they are legal... I think you might be better off with pepper spray on your key chain.
(8) "Knuckles" means any instrument that consists of finger rings or guards made of a hard substance and that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with a fist enclosed in the knuckles.
Is the fist enclosed? It looks like it only covers two fingers . . . and two fingers don't make a fist.
That would be a conversation that you need to have with the judge... :biggrinjester:

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:00 pm
by fm2
But, it's cute!

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:24 pm
by Liberty
Looks to me like its a decorative key fob. Any use as a weapon should be attributed to imaginative flexibilty.

Re: Interesting Self Defense Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:54 pm
by seamusTX
The legal nitpickers can argue all day about whether this is a prohibited weapon.

Cops do not search white women who are minding their business for weapons. Do you have any idea how many women carry illegally, and always have? I don't, either. Suzanna Gratia Hupp admitted to doing so in Congressional testimony.

The real problem is training. This device would be seriously useful only against an attacker's face. Very few women are prepared to go hand-to-hand that way.

You cannot buy protection unless you are wealthy enough to hire trustworthy bodyguards. You have to build self defense in a series of mental and physical steps as well as acquisitions of equipment.

On a less serious note, I will repost this old urban legend:
In December 1966, a lady from northeast Georgia called her sister in Atlanta to ask if it would be safe to come to Atlanta to shop at a major shopping mall. Her sister assured her she would be entirely safe.

The shopper came to the city, but 'just in case,' she brought her six-inch .38-caliber revolver with her in her handbag. She arrived safely and shopped all day. Around dusk, she walked into the parking lot, carrying her bags and packages. As she approached her car, she noticed two men sitting in it. She carefully put her bags on the ground, pointed a finger and shouted, "You men get out of my car!" Nothing happened.

She again pointed her finger and shouted, "You men get out of my car." Nothing happened. She then opened her pocketbook, took out her roscoe, pointed it at the men and shouted, "You men, I've told you twice to get out of my car. Get out, and I mean right now!" This time the doors flew open and the two men ran like jackrabbits.

The lady put her revolver in her purse, retrieved her packages, placed them in the back seat of the car, and got behind the wheel. She locked the doors and put her key in the ignition. It would not turn. Suddenly, she realized that she was not in her car.

She looked around to see if anyone was watching, carefully opened the door and walked to her car, which was parked about four spaces away. Again, she loaded her packages, locked the door and began to leave the parking lot.

As she was leaving, she noticed several security guards and honked and waved to get their attention. She called out to them, "I need to tell you nice men about something that happened to me."

One of the guards replied, "Lady, we don't have time to chat. There's a little old lady with a pistol out in the parking lot hijacking cars!"
- Jim