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Springfield Armory EMP...Very Impressive!

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:21 am
by badkarma56
Fellow Shooters,

After a few months of consideration, I recently decided to take the plunge and pick up one of those Springfield EMP 9mm 1911's. I'm a long time shooter, and I own several makes of weapons (H&K, Sig, Beretta), but I had never owned a 1911-style pistol before now. The primary reason that I have avoided 1911's in the past comes down to one word...reliability. Fair or unfair, I've heard/seen/read about various issues with various makes of 1911's...truthfully, the problem seems to be the vast numbers of manufacturers (I can think of 15 companies that make 1911's off the top of my head) with wildly varying ideas of "quality control" for this legendary pistol design. Aesthetically, I've always admired the 1911 design...in fact, even though I had never broken-down and bought one before now, I've always considered a nice 1911 to be the most attractive handgun design of all time.

I don't own a digital camera, so I can't showcase my particular EMP, but here's a picture of one for those who may not be familiar:

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I had been looking for an excuse to buy a new pistol for a few months now, and I was tacitly considering a full-sized 1911 just for a change of pace. After looking at a few brands, I decided to go with Springfield for my first 1911, primarily because of their reputation for strong customer service and the lifetime warranty. Long story short, I eventually discovered the existence of the EMP a few months back and fell in love at first sight! The fact that the weapon was chambered in 9mm really appealed to me. I own a USP45, and I like to shoot the weapon, but feeding another .45 these days is a bit pricey...I can still find affordable 9mm ammo on the web. Also, the pistol's compact size seemed perfect for carry purposes. So, after due consideration, I decided that I'd buy one as soon as I found a decent price. Springfield's MSRP on the EMP is $1253...I was willing to go to around$950-$1000 for the pleasure.

I purchased the little pistol last Sunday (28OCT) at the big "funshow" held at Reliant Park. I had been looking for an EMP online for a while with no joy, so when I came across a booth at the show that had one for sale (for $999, no less) I snatched it right up!

Initial Impressions at the range

Well, if my new EMP is any indication of the shootability of a "high quality" 1911, I might have just become a convert to the platform. ;-) I finally got to the range on Saturday to fire the weapon, and let me say this, that little gun is awesome!:grin:

First, let me say something about the trigger. After years of shooting service-grade pistols with standard DA/SA actions, the crisp/clean SA break of a 1911 trigger is heaven on Earth. Springfield says that the EMP is tuned with a 5 pound trigger-pull, that felt about right to me, although I don't own a trigger-pull scale to confirm. Anyhow, that first shot was a real eye-opener...this 1911's trigger easily beats the feel of my P226, 92FS, or USP, it's so much cleaner with a much shorter trigger reset.

As for reliability, my EMP seems to be good-to-go. I brought along 250 rounds of ammo to "break in" the weapon (100 rounds of Remington UMC 115 gr. FMJ, 100 rounds of Federal XML9N1 NATO-spec 124 gr. TMJ, and 50 rounds of Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr. JHP). I started out "hot" with the NATO-spec Federal ammo and the EMP ran perfectly. Others may disagree, but I've always believed in breaking-in my guns with "hot" ammo right at the start. I've done this with all of my other pistols, so I figured that I'd adopt the same approach again. Anyhow, the EMP (with it's 3 in. bull barrel) gobbled the Federal ammo right on up. Next was the UMC, which many consider to be fairly sedate and underpowered. I figured that the tight, new pistol may choke on this ammo, but to my surprise and delight it did not. Thus far, 200 rounds down range with ZERO malfunctions! Now for the moment of truth...hollow points.

Lastly, I tried out 50 rounds of hollow point ammo in the weapon. I picked some Ranger-T for the task since that happens to be my preferred brand of defensive/carry ammo. As I was loading up the mags for the final part of this initial range trip, I thought to myself, "surely this new gun will at least hiccup on hollow points..." Well my friends, despite what you may have heard elsewhere, my EMP didn't have any trouble at all. In fact, my best groups of the day came with the 147 gr. JHP ammo (2-2.5 in., "off hand" at 21 feet). In general, the weapon was very accurate all afternoon long. With the exception of a couple of "flyers," I was able to keep my shots inside of the 9 and 10 rings of a standard B-27 style silhouette target. I didn't fire from a rest on this first trip, but I suspect that the little gun will perform unbelievably from a rest!

In sum, I can't recommend this little pistol enough. If you're on the fence about getting one, and you like the looks of 1911-style guns, I say go for it!

Re: Springfield Armory EMP...Very Impressive!

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:01 am
by KBCraig
badkarma56 wrote:Well, if my new EMP is any indication of the shootability of a "high quality" 1911, I might have just become a convert to the platform. ;-) I finally got to the range on Saturday to fire the weapon, and let me say this, that little gun is awesome!:grin:

First, let me say something about the trigger. After years of shooting service-grade pistols with standard DA/SA actions, the crisp/clean SA break of a 1911 trigger is heaven on Earth.
That is exactly why my next carry gun will be SAO, preferably a 1911. I'm looking at the EMP, although it's pricey, as an option for my wife. She is comfortable with her very snappy Taurus Ultralight .38, but hates my full size .45, which is far more comfortable to shoot in my view. Perceptions of recoil are different, what can I say?

If you need to actually pull the trigger in a defensive situation, you've already got enough on your plate. A double-action handgun, at any range beyond "belly buster", takes much more time to fire accurately than does a single action. The initial process is the same: Sight alignment, front-sight-front-sight-front-sight-trigger, bang. But that last part, between "trigger" and "bang", is almost instantaneous with a single action. With a double action, all kinds of things can negatively affect accuracy during the trigger pull, especially under stress.

One of the common arguments against carrying a single action pistol, is the notion that ND/SD is a bigger risk. Hogwash! So long as proper trigger discipline is observed ("booger hook off the bang switch"), it's not going to go "bang" unexpectedly. I believe the chance of shooting something or someone unintentionally is actually less with a single action. Double actions encourage a jerking trigger pull, especially when trying to fire quickly.

Thanks for the good report on the EMP!

Kevin

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:10 am
by shipwreck
I fired one when they first came out - the guy's gun I shot had some feeding issues.

I am sure they will work them out - and may have. As, I am hearing less neg stuff.

However - I REALLY hate those night sights that Springfield uses. Instead of using the higher quality trijicon Novaks - they use cheaper novaks with silver rings around them. At my indoor range, it is very dimly lit - but not dim enough to see the tritium glow. It is very hard to see the front dot on them in such a situation.

Springfield puts these sights on many of their 1911s.

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:14 am
by jbirds1210
I fired one a few months ago. While I am not a fan of the 1911 platform this is a great little gun. I can see how someone who appreciates them would love the little Springfield.

I just can'f find a place on the gun to put my fingers without slowing the slide down :grin:

Jason

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:10 am
by stevie_d_64
jbirds1210 wrote:...I am not a fan of the 1911 platform...
Uh ohhhhh... :razz: :lol:

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:45 pm
by KinnyLee
jbirds1210 wrote: I just can'f find a place on the gun to put my fingers without slowing the slide down :grin:

Jason
That's why I prefer Government size because my big grubby fingers will all fit on the receiver and it is closest to the original design. I do want to have a few champion size 1911s though. :cool:

The EMP is an excellent pistol regardless though.

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:28 pm
by badkarma56
jbirds1210 wrote:I just can'f find a place on the gun to put my fingers without slowing the slide down :grin:
Jason
Hey Jason,

Like you, I also have large hands and I generally prefer full-size pistols for the exact same reason. I'm right-handed, and hold any auto-pistol with a high/tight, thumbs-forward, two handed grip. Generally, my support thumb rests on the forward part of the slide, while my strong thumb rests on the rearward portion of the slide/thumb safety (slightly contacting the cocking serrations). That said, I didn't suffer any problems during strings of fire with my new EMP...I could "feel" the slide move against my thumbs as it cycled, but this didn't cause any issues.

Obviously, my grip has to be "tighter," and a tad more "compact" on the EMP than with my USP45, but I still held the weapon just like all my others.

This picture (of Larry Vickers shooting a pre-production HK45) pretty much illustrates my style of grip:
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Re: Springfield Armory EMP...Very Impressive!

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:01 pm
by badkarma56
KBCraig wrote:That is exactly why my next carry gun will be SAO, preferably a 1911. ... One of the common arguments against carrying a single action pistol, is the notion that ND/SD is a bigger risk. Hogwash! So long as proper trigger discipline is observed ("booger hook off the bang switch"), it's not going to go "bang" unexpectedly...
I agree, carrying a well-designed pistol in condition-1 (i.e., cocked and locked) is just as safe as any other carry method. That's partly why I selected a USP Compact for my carry weapon, even though it's a DA/SA weapon, the "Variant 1" USP's all have 1911-style thumb safeties which allow for condition-1 carry. My full-size USP45 is also a "Variant 1" model.

If anything, the fact that 1911's require their integral "grip safeties" to be depressed by the compression of your strong hand around the grip (thus allowing for the trigger to be pulled) makes them an inherently safe "manual of arms" if you ask me.

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:38 pm
by moodyamber
KinnyLee wrote:
jbirds1210 wrote: I just can'f find a place on the gun to put my fingers without slowing the slide down :grin:

Jason
That's why I prefer Government size because my big grubby fingers will all fit on the receiver and it is closest to the original design. I do want to have a few champion size 1911s though. :cool:

The EMP is an excellent pistol regardless though.
I agree.I dont have big hands, even for a woman and the EMP was a bit short for me. I liked the EMP but just couldnt afford it. Instead I bought my other favorite, the Springfield 1911 GI .45 Champion. Its soooo sweet.Dang it now I want to go to the range... :lol:

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:44 pm
by AWMP
I have been looking at the EMP for sometime, I carry a Kimber Ultra CDP II and went to buy an EMP and came out with the Kimber. My dealer was having Kimber days and was out of the EMP. The EMP is my next purchase. I think carried in condition I is the safest form of carry, you must have your hand on the pistol , disengage the thumb safety and pull the trigger. I was at the range with a buddy that had grown up on glocks, I asked if he wanted to shoot my kimber he said it looked too complicated, lol, then after shooting the SA he fell in love with it. It looks like Springfield has worked out the initial problems with the EMP, when they first came out seemed like several were having feeding problems.
Have you found a good holster for the EMP?

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:25 pm
by Skiprr
AWMP wrote:I carry a Kimber Ultra CDP II and went to buy an EMP and came out with the Kimber.
I don't think that's a bad choice. The Ultra CDP is actually a quarter of an inch shorter (as in height measured at 90-degrees from the barrel) than the EMP; the Kimber is 3/10ths of an inch longer. The EMP is thinner, but remove the ambi-safety on the Kimber and install thin-profile grips, and they're pretty much identical. The EMP carries 9+1 of 9mm, the Kimber 7+1 of .45 ACP.

Both good choices...and in my favorite platform. :grin:

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:40 pm
by ScubaSigGuy
AWMP wrote:Have you found a good holster for the EMP?

I haven't found a 1911 holster that won't work yet. My Answer, C-Tac, and VMII work just fine with my EMP.

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:34 am
by badkarma56
AWMP wrote:Have you found a good holster for the EMP?
Hey AWMP,

I'm eventually going to have Andrew Johnson of AKJ Concealco make a custom IWB rig for my EMP. I currently own two of his holsters (for my USP Compact/9mm which is my primary carry piece, and also my USP45), and he does fantastic custom work for a great price (about $80-$90). An added benefit is that you don't have to wait until the rapture to get your holster (he delivers in about 5-6 weeks).

Sample pics of his work:
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Check out his website for more details on his holsters: http://www.concealco.com/miva/merchant.mvc

I going to resist the impulse to carry the EMP until I've put a few hundred more rounds through it...I generally like to fire 1,000 rounds through any new weapon before "trusting" it. ;-) Thus far, the EMP has been solid with no malfunctions whatsoever!

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:24 am
by AWMP
badkarma56 thanks for the pics, I will be carrying my Kimber Ultra CDP II for sometime until my budget allows for the EMP. I like the EMP because it shoots cheaper ammo, but I have always enjoyed the 45acp just because of the larger bullet.

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:21 pm
by 5111
I also have a Concealco holster and am very happy with it. I think that it took 3 weeks from the day I ordered it until it came in the mail. Just don't expect any customer service to go with it. It says right there on the site that he doesn't do customer service.