If Liberals win White House...

[KD5NRH]

I'll prolly stock up on high capacity mags and some lowers. I just bougt 4x Glock 33 rounders for $19 apiece and 4x 32 round Uzi mags. Looks like the price is still good on the Glock mags. I paid about $35 apiece for my previous ones.

http://www.**************.com/glockmagazines.html

Watch the language in here; it's a family forum.

Andean has them for $30, without the hassles and mess of those other guys. I'm also pretty sure Andean uses psychics to ship the order about two days before you place it, since the product is always on my doorstep well before I think to look for it. The evil ones took over two months to even give me a status on my order, then shipped the wrong product.

Heck, Andean even carries mags for real guns in case you ever get tired of those squirty toys.

[jimlongley]

Man, I'd hate to fire one of those indoors. I'll bet it would break both eardrums and do permanent damage as well.

I'm not sure if an AR is louder than a 12 ga. But the .223 Rem round has a very sharp "CRACK" kind of sound that I find quite painful, at least out of my Mini-14. I find a 12 ga. easier to take myself.

My DPMS is very loud compared to other AR clones I have fired and stood behind, and the one time I ran mine through a shoot house scenario it did a pretty good job of overpowering my "plugs and muff" ear protection.

I'll second that "I'd hate to fire one of those indoors."

[frankie_the_yankee]

1. Vote for McCain

Kid yourself if you want to, but see what kind of people McCain will appoint to the federal courts, including SCOTUS, compared to the kind of people a conservative is likely to appoint. No more RINOs!

Except that McCain's opponent will not be a conservative - unless you're counting some Slow Wheat candidate who has less than zero chance of becoming president.

No one who chooses to take this path should talk about others kidding themselves.

If the Republicans wanted my vote, they would have nominated a conservative. I heard them loud and clear. I voted in the Democratic primary where my vote might make a difference. I didn't get picked as a delegate at the caucus but that's fine with me. At least I didn't waste my vote.

So what are you going to do now? Your choices are:

1) Vote for a Democrat, and see your 2A rights wither and die as they propose (and pass) a panapoly of new gun control laws and appoint a few hundred "super legislators" to the federal bench.

2) Vote for a Slow Wheat candidate, and see your 2A rights wither and die as the victorious Democrat proposes (and passes) a panapoly of new gun control laws and appoints a few hundred "super legislators" to the federal bench.

3) Stay home, and see your 2A rights wither and die as the victorious Democrat proposes (and passes) a panapoly of new gun control laws and appoints a few hundred "super legislators" to the federal bench.

4) Vote for McCain who is unlikely to propose much if anything in the way of new gun control laws and give us at least a chance of some "Originalists" being appointed to the federal bench, including 2 or 3 replacements for the very old and frail far left wingers currently serving on the SCOTUS.

Replacing a Stevens or a Ginsberg with a Thomas or a Scalia will go a long way towards protecting our 2A rights for a generation or more.

Anyone who seriously thinks that Hillary or Obama is MORE LIKELY to appoint a Thomas or a Scalia to the Court than McCain is needs to have a urine test done, IMO.

[KBCraig]

http://www.**************.com/glockmagazines.html

Watch the language in here; it's a family forum.

Am I missing the humor, or is "Botach Tactical" something dirty?

[Liberty]

http://www.**************.com/glockmagazines.html

Watch the language in here; it's a family forum.

Am I missing the humor, or is "Botach Tactical" something dirty?

You're not the only one that is confused.

[Rugrash]

Yeh count me in on the bad language accusation...

-Rug

[nuparadigm]

Are we all going on the assumption that the Federals can be fixed?

The popularized "definition of insanity" comes to my mind when I try to couple 40 years (1968 - 2008) of progressively more draconian gun laws with the notion that: "if we get 'our guy' in office, our firearms will be safe". We keep doing the same thing over and over again - reaping the same (or worse) results.

Is anyone seriously considering a thread on secession?

[KBCraig]

Is anyone seriously considering a thread on secession?

We had one. I think it got locked. Charles doesn't want the subject discussed on this forum, which is his right.

[KD5NRH]

Am I missing the humor, or is "Botach Tactical" something dirty?

You're not the only one that is confused.

Clearly you've never dealt with their "customer service" types; you can get ahold of someone to place an order, and after you've talked your credit card company into reversing the charge for the screwed up order, they have people available to call you, but both of those departments will tell you that you need to call another number to get the order fixed, and that one goes to a full voicemail box 24/7.

I'm not alone in this one by a longshot:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Botach_Tactical
http://ripoffreport.com/reports/0/194/RipOff0194186.htm

Google "botach bbb" and you'll get the idea pretty quickly. It may actually bring up a higher percentage of non-10-year-old-daughter-safe sites than "quentin tarantino movie quotes." I don't know of any other online reseller that gets that much negative feedback without either working hard to change it or closing down.

[Liberty]

Am I missing the humor, or is "Botach Tactical" something dirty?

You're not the only one that is confused.

Clearly you've never dealt with their "customer service" types; you can get ahold of someone to place an order, and after you've talked your credit card company into reversing the charge for the screwed up order, they have people available to call you, but both of those departments will tell you that you need to call another number to get the order fixed, and that one goes to a full voicemail box 24/7.

I'm not alone in this one by a longshot:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Botach_Tactical
http://ripoffreport.com/reports/0/194/RipOff0194186.htm

Google "botach bbb" and you'll get the idea pretty quickly. It may actually bring up a higher percentage of non-10-year-old-daughter-safe sites than "quentin tarantino movie quotes." I don't know of any other online reseller that gets that much negative feedback without either working hard to change it or closing down.

Oh, I was confused. When you typed,"Watch the language in here; it's a family forum." I thought you were referring to nudity, sex, violence, taking the Lords name in vane, or some other censorious event. Not someones business practice whom you didn't approve.

[longhorn_92]

I was thinking of the very same thing....

Are there anymore websites to stay away from?......

[Rugrash]

Am I missing the humor, or is "Botach Tactical" something dirty?

You're not the only one that is confused.

Clearly you've never dealt with their "customer service" types; you can get ahold of someone to place an order, and after you've talked your credit card company into reversing the charge for the screwed up order, they have people available to call you, but both of those departments will tell you that you need to call another number to get the order fixed, and that one goes to a full voicemail box 24/7.

I'm not alone in this one by a longshot:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Botach_Tactical
http://ripoffreport.com/reports/0/194/RipOff0194186.htm

Google "botach bbb" and you'll get the idea pretty quickly. It may actually bring up a higher percentage of non-10-year-old-daughter-safe sites than "quentin tarantino movie quotes." I don't know of any other online reseller that gets that much negative feedback without either working hard to change it or closing down.

Nope never had any problems with them. I've ordered from them maybe a half dozen times.

-Rug

[boomerang]

So what are you going to do now? Your choices are:

1) Vote for a Democrat

Yes. Right now, that's my #1 choice.

I won't decide until I know who is on the ballot. Depending on the running mates, I might vote for a Vice President and pray for them to get a medical promotion between 11/4/2008 and 1/20/2009.

[frankie_the_yankee]

So what are you going to do now? Your choices are:

1) Vote for a Democrat

Yes. Right now, that's my #1 choice.

I won't decide until I know who is on the ballot. Depending on the running mates, I might vote for a Vice President and pray for them to get a medical promotion between 11/4/2008 and 1/20/2009.

You quoted me out of context.

The full quote was, "Vote for a Democrat and watch your 2A rights wither and die.........."

So I guess you're OK with that.

[frankie_the_yankee]

Are we all going on the assumption that the Federals can be fixed?

The popularized "definition of insanity" comes to my mind when I try to couple 40 years (1968 - 2008) of progressively more draconian gun laws with the notion that: "if we get 'our guy' in office, our firearms will be safe". We keep doing the same thing over and over again - reaping the same (or worse) results.

Is anyone seriously considering a thread on secession?

So where do you think we would be with the Heller case if for those 40 years we had Democrats appointing a bunch of Steven Breyers to the SCOTUS and to the lower courts instead of people like Reagan, Bush 41, and W?

In all likelyhood, the original federal district court ruling (in favor of DC) would have been upheld on appeal and the case would have ended right there.

And you wouldn't have had Sam Cummings of the 5th circuit writing his very well-reasoned and comprehensive opinion that the 2A was in fact an individual right.

And while we're at it, would any Democrat have appointed John Ashcroft as Attorney General, who would go on to draft a lengthy and well-researched policy statement that the Justice Dept. would consider the 2A as an individual right?

Did anyone notice that with W and a Republican congress, the AWB was allowed to sunset? And that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act was passed? Any chance that would have happened with a Democrat president?

The country os full of "perfect" conservative candidates who could not win their elections. Not a single one of them had anything to do with the accomplishments and advancements of gun rights that I have listed above.

I think we're a lot better off when we save the dreams for the dreamworld, and stick with reality when we are awake.