Ft.Worth CHL Holder Shoots Robbery Suspect

[NcongruNt]

Beretta makes a 45?

Well, yes. But they're SA revolvers in 45 LC. I somehow doubt that's what this guy was carrying. They do make several guns in 40 S&W, so maybe the news got the two calibers mixed up.

[para driver]

caliber and distance are irrelevant.. I have seen people use pistols effectively out past 50 yards, shotguns out to 100 with slugs. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that they might be so capable and the CHL was reasonable to assume this as well.

now weather he shot Mr Johnson in the buttocks deliberately or missed the 10-ring under stress, we will never know, because to admit such opens the door for 'reasonable doubt' as to his mindset and plausibility of 'fear for his life'.. unfortunately, the shooter is wide open for civil lawsuit, being several months short of the 'castle doctrine'..

prepare to contribute to his legal fees, after some ACLU shyster get's a hold of Mr. Johnson (presumably at his Criminal Trial)..

[LedJedi]

caliber and distance are irrelevant.. I have seen people use pistols effectively out past 50 yards, shotguns out to 100 with slugs. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that they might be so capable and the CHL was reasonable to assume this as well.

now weather he shot Mr Johnson in the buttocks deliberately or missed the 10-ring under stress, we will never know, because to admit such opens the door for 'reasonable doubt' as to his mindset and plausibility of 'fear for his life'.. unfortunately, the shooter is wide open for civil lawsuit, being several months short of the 'castle doctrine'..

prepare to contribute to his legal fees, after some ACLU shyster get's a hold of Mr. Johnson (presumably at his Criminal Trial)..

hmmm, would the castle doctrine really apply given that he's not at home, at his place of work and i assume he got out of his vehicle to make the shot.

wait... public place... nevermind... i'll be quiet.


hmmm, question... i know the castle doctrine covers your home, place of business, car and public places but what if yer over at Jason's having a beer? Jason is covered, but is Jedi?

[seamusTX]

unfortunately, the shooter is wide open for civil lawsuit, being several months short of the 'castle doctrine'..

Since the shootee lived, he could sue only for damages. The county is paying for his medical treatment.

When a criminal is killed, his family sues for wrongful death. That's what leads to the large judgments in rare cases that succeed.

- Jim

[Rex B]

We can determine from these highly accurate reports, then, that a Beretta handgun in "..a caliber starting with a 4" was not a man-stopper

[LedJedi]

We can determine from these highly accurate reports, then, that a Beretta handgun in "..a caliber starting with a 4" was not a man-stopper

at least not in the buttox

[Venus Pax]

We can determine from these highly accurate reports, then, that a Beretta handgun in "..a caliber starting with a 4" was not a man-stopper

at least not in the buttox

"Run, Forest, Run!"

[flintknapper]

We can determine from these highly accurate reports, then, that a Beretta handgun in "..a caliber starting with a 4" was not a man-stopper

at least not in the buttox

"Run, Forest, Run"

Mr. Johnson, 17, was injured on his backside and foot.

This suggests he was doing just that...and had a pretty good "kick" to his sprint.

[govnor]

The story says he was also injured in the foot. I wonder if 'ol Rayshaun shot himself in the foot when he realized he'd been hit. I'm sure he had his finger on the trigger at all times no matter whether he was pointing it at his foot or somewhere else.

[para driver]

The story says he was also injured in the foot. I wonder if 'ol Rayshaun shot himself in the foot when he realized he'd been hit. I'm sure he had his finger on the trigger at all times no matter whether he was pointing it at his foot or somewhere else.

we can only hope so...

[Wildscar]

Heres an updated story on the case. Now submitting a falsified statement can be added to his list of offences. Why do criminals think they can get awya with lying to policie. They are going to find out eventually.


Man shot at store lied about name, police say

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/159984.html

Police say a suspect believed to have been wounded during a robbery Tuesday at an Albertsons store gave officials a false name.

Ramsez Hall, 21, of Fort Worth, was under police guard Thursday at Huguley Memorial Medical Center Hospital, police said.

Police identified Hall by a different name Wednesday. However, fingerprints proved that was not his real name, police said.

Hall was dropped off at the hospital with gunshot wounds to the buttocks and foot shortly after a robbery that may have involved multiple suspects at Albertsons, 3525 Sycamore School Road, police said. A witness with a concealed handgun permit intervened and shot at one of the robbers.

Blood found at the scene led investigators to believe a suspect had been wounded.

Robbery Sgt. David Yerigan said detectives are seeking at least one other suspect in the robbery.


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Here is also another story I found.

Armed witness wounds robber at store
By ALEX BRANCH
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

FORT WORTH -- It was a phone call he says he'll never forget -- his wife's voice on his cellphone pleading "there's nothing in my purse" to someone pointing a gun at her.

That's what a 56-year-old Fort Worth man, who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon, said he heard before he shot an armed robber late Tuesday at a Fort Worth grocery store.

"I still can't believe it," the man said. "You tell yourself this will never happen. Then you run to the store in your house shoes and practically your pajamas ... and it happens."

The Star-Telegram is not identifying the man -- police are calling him a good Samaritan -- because he said he is afraid for his family's safety.

One suspect is recovering from gunshot wounds in the hospital, but at least two robbers remain at large, police said.

The man said he and his wife made a late stop at the store for yogurt and soda. He sat outside in the car while his wife went inside, and he soon noticed two men crouching suspiciously in the parking lot.

About 11:30 p.m., three men carrying semiautomatic weapons burst into an Albertsons at 3525 Sycamore School Road, in an "invasion-style manner," said Lt. Dean Sullivan, a police spokesman.

The robbers took purses and wallets from customers, he said.

Outside, the man said he watched the robbers go in and dialed 911.

He said he told the dispatcher that he was worried about his wife and was going inside.

"I was hoping she was still at the back of the store near the yogurt," he said. "But as I was walking up, she called my cellphone. I heard her talking about her purse and then I heard a loud banging sound."

He would later learn, he said, that the bang was his wife dropping her phone when a robber ripped the purse from her hands. At the time, he thought she might have been hurt, he said.

The man said he entered the store and saw a man pointing a gun at him, so he raised his hands in the air.

They both started to speak at the same time. Then, the man said, he sensed he was about to get shot.

"He has his finger on the trigger," he said.

So, he said, he drew his Beretta -- advertised as "The firearm that protects America" -- and fired first.

He couldn't tell whether he hit the robber, who fled out the door, he said. When the robber turned partly back toward him, he fired twice more. He saw the robber stumble.

Another man, apparently an accomplice, helped him escape through a field, he said. A third robber may have fled out another door.

Blood found on the ground led officers to believe that the robber had been shot, Sullivan said.

A short time later, Rayshaun Johnson was dropped off at Huguley Memorial Medical Center in south Fort Worth, police said.

He had suffered gunshot wounds to the buttocks and foot.

Johnson was under police guard at the hospital Wednesday, Sullivan said. He could face aggravated-robbery charges when he is released.

Officers found a gun that may have been used by one of the robbers while canvassing the area around the grocery store, he said. They also recovered customers' purses and wallets.

Detectives are looking into whether the same men were involved in a robbery at a check-cashing business earlier Tuesday night, police said.

The man who shot at the robbers at the Albertsons said he was questioned for about two hours after the shooting. Detectives told him that they didn't anticipate charges, he said.

On Wednesday afternoon, he said that he hadn't gotten any sleep since the shooting.

He said he got the concealed-weapon license in 1998 or 1999 because he traveled a lot.

"I didn't want to kill the guy," he said. "I'm glad he's going to live. But I didn't want to die either, so I defended myself."

[Rex B]

Looks like he didn't read our counsel on post-event actions.
It does appear that he did say all the right things, but no mention of an attorney.

[Darwood]

Looks like he didn't read our counsel on post-event actions.
It does appear that he did say all the right things, but no mention of an attorney.

What is the counsel on post-event actions?

[seamusTX]

What is the counsel on post-event actions?

To say "He tried to kill me and I shot to stop him."

Then, if asked further questions, say you don't feel well (it will be the truth) and you need to talk to a lawyer.

- Jim

[pbandjelly]

but what if yer over at Jason's having a beer? Jason is covered, but is Jedi?

CHL holders don't drink, remember that thread????