I'm disturbed...

[flechero]

Nice, as someone who carries a j frame much of the time, the 5 shot drill, plus reload is perfect. I'm eager to hear the details.

"I'm trying to come up with a strong justification to force a reload just before the end of the sequence"

How about a simulated jam of some type. Load a dummy round as # 6 in the mag, or use 5 and reload from slide lock.

[snatchel]

He has the right idea. In one of my CQ courses, the instructors put dummy rounds in our mags randomly. You may or may not have had a dummy, you may have had 2. The point was to foce a clear or reload in a timely manner. When it was unexpected, it was realistic! The instructors handed us the mags before the course, and they were the ones that loaded them. Good stuff.

Most of my training was done with an M4, and on rare occasions a handgun. I could definately use some practice with a handgun, it would be nice to be as proficient with it as a long gun. Let me know if I can help or do anything Andy.

[Draskuul]

I agree completely. I've heard some pretty disturbing stories of less legitimate CHL instructors acting like the equivalent of diploma mills, basically passing anyone regardless of their abilities.

I'm out of state right now for work, but plan on getting my TX CHL once I'm back home more permanently. I have my handgun while I'm out, though, and I'm working in regular practice, trying to improve my skills. As part of that I went and ordered a couple packs of the B-27 targets used for the CHL qualification. I'm not concerned about my scoring on it, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to practice on them some as well as normal targets.

I had the targets delivered to my company's office that I'm working out of and--wow, Texas turned into a real butt of jokes that day. The target is insanely huge, even for the 15 yard shots. I think most of us could do that blindfolded and off-handed. To think that some people who have their CHL struggled to make the necessary scores on this target is almost terrifying.

[Excaliber]

I agree completely. I've heard some pretty disturbing stories of less legitimate CHL instructors acting like the equivalent of diploma mills, basically passing anyone regardless of their abilities.

I'm out of state right now for work, but plan on getting my TX CHL once I'm back home more permanently. I have my handgun while I'm out, though, and I'm working in regular practice, trying to improve my skills. As part of that I went and ordered a couple packs of the B-27 targets used for the CHL qualification. I'm not concerned about my scoring on it, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to practice on them some as well as normal targets.

I had the targets delivered to my company's office that I'm working out of and--wow, Texas turned into a real butt of jokes that day. The target is insanely huge, even for the 15 yard shots. I think most of us could do that blindfolded and off-handed. To think that some people who have their CHL struggled to make the necessary scores on this target is almost terrifying.

IPSC targets are much more useful for developing skill because the target areas are much more realistically sized and scored.

They also don't cause people to laugh as much.

B27's are designed to catch wild rounds to make poor shots count so folks who shouldn't qualify can.

[Draskuul]

IPSC targets are much more useful for developing skill because the target areas are much more realistically sized and scored.

I've actually been looking into trying out IDPA, more as a source of practice than for competition's sake (though who knows where it will go if I do get into it regularly).

Other than that I normally just work off 8 inch high-visibility targets (Caldwell and Shoot-n-C type stuff) at varying ranges. The range I use has a very nice metal range as well which can be an entertaining way of engaging multiple targets.

[Excaliber]

I would have preferred to use IPSC targets, but not all ranges have them.

As for accuracy, that depends which parts of the B-27 are going to count...

Ok, I'd better quit teasing.

The 9-ring of a B27 target is roughly equivalent in area to the A-zone on an IPSC target - just under 8" x 12", but unlike the rectangular IPSC dimensions of 6" x 11", the B-27 is rounded top and bottom which means smaller area. For all practical purposes, they seem to be pretty equivalent in terms of shootable area, so we'll be able to use that 9-ring as an A-zone equivalent quite happily, if my calculations are correct (feel free to double-check me, please).

Looking at it further, it might even give us flexibility - if the relevant areas on the various types of targets (B-27, IPSC and IDPA) are pretty equivalent, it might give us the *option* of using IPSC or IDPA targets instead if that's all that's available at a particular range. Even the area of the IDPA 5-zone is pretty close (only about 5 sq. inches bigger in area than an IPSC A-zone, which is a tiny difference).

Just a thought....

You could use a piece of standard copy paper (8 1/2 x 11) taped or stapled to any backing for simplicity and universal availability.

[Gunner21]

IPSC targets are much more useful for developing skill because the target areas are much more realistically sized and scored.

I've actually been looking into trying out IDPA, more as a source of practice than for competition's sake (though who knows where it will go if I do get into it regularly).

Other than that I normally just work off 8 inch high-visibility targets (Caldwell and Shoot-n-C type stuff) at varying ranges. The range I use has a very nice metal range as well which can be an entertaining way of engaging multiple targets.

Have you tried Action Pistol yet? Not only is it hellfun but it can get you used to the whole IDPA thing. I haven't done IDPA yet but I plan on picking it up as part of my monthly shooting in addition to Action Pistol.

[Draskuul]

Have you tried Action Pistol yet? Not only is it hellfun but it can get you used to the whole IDPA thing. I haven't done IDPA yet but I plan on picking it up as part of my monthly shooting in addition to Action Pistol.

I haven't tried out any sort of competition since JROTC. I really want to though, just a matter of getting time and finding one a reasonable distance from me.

[TEX]

Which Air Marshall test are you talking about - the old one or the new one. The old one was pretty darn stiff. I would venture to say it would take a IDPA Expert rating to pass it on a routine basis. It woudl be fun for someone to set up this test as a side match or test at a major match, with a patch that say "I am AM good", etc. if you passed. It only take 3 FBI-Q targets I believe.

[texastactical]

Just add another string if you want to do a reload. Or make two different par times, one for Autos one for Revolvers.