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If anyone saw the letter in Tuesday's edition, by Aubrey Hawkins' mother, decrying the failed amendments to the recent bill in the Senate. The DMN published my answer this morning.
Here's the link to Mrs. Hawkins' letter. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 0c278.html
And my answer: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 94c5f.html
Here's the link to Mrs. Hawkins' letter. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 0c278.html
And my answer: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 94c5f.html
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Jim,
Can you post your reply here? It wants me to register to read your reply but not her letter. Hum, must be a left wing conspiracy...![:wink:](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/s9e/emoji-assets-twemoji@11.2/dist/svgz/1f609.svgz)
Can you post your reply here? It wants me to register to read your reply but not her letter. Hum, must be a left wing conspiracy...
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CZ RAMI
SA Champion 1911
SA Micro Compact 1911
S&W 1911
S&W Model 60 .357Mag
Taurus Model 415 .41mag
Taurus Model 617TBC .357mag
Taurus .45 Millennium Pro
Taurus .380 Millennium
American Derringer .45ACP
Good letter, but I would have pointed out that cop-killer bullets were banned under both Federal and State law over a decade ago, so there is no need to ban them again, or to add regular hunting ammunition to the banned list.
It is sad this woman has chosen to politicize the loss of her son.
And for those that do not know, her son was killed by ordinary guns and ammunition stolen from Oshmans sporting goods.
It is sad this woman has chosen to politicize the loss of her son.
And for those that do not know, her son was killed by ordinary guns and ammunition stolen from Oshmans sporting goods.
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We could have an unwritten rule (or guideline, thats sounds better
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I recommend: "texaschl"/"texaschl"
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PDO uses "packing" as the profile or login, and "packing" as the password...
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I recommend: "texaschl"/"texaschl"
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Great letter on the subject of 'cop killer' <puke> bullet bans from the Fraternal Order of Police:
http://www.tsra.com/FOP%20Letter-Craig.pdf
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Mrs. Hawkins' letter said:
From a slain cop's mom
Re: "Senate approves bill shielding gun makers – Measure bans suits by crime victims; critics say it caters to NRA," Saturday news story.
According to this story, "the Senate voted Friday to shield firearms manufacturers, dealers and importers from lawsuits brought by victims of gun crimes ... "
The U.S. Senate had the ability to protect police officers with amendments to this bill. One would have banned "cop killer" bullets. Another would have preserved the right of police officers injured by guns or the families of officers killed by guns to sue if the gun dealer acted negligently. Sadly, both failed. Neither of our Texas senators voted for them.
My son, police officer Aubrey Hawkins, died in the line of duty on Christmas Eve 2000. He was gunned down by the Texas Seven, escapees from a maximum-security prison in South Texas. I am truly saddened that our senators turned their backs on measures to protect the police officers who put their lives on the line every day.
Jayne Hawkins, Dallas
My reply read:
Revisiting gun liability
Re: "From a slain cop's mom," by Jayne Hawkins, Tuesday Letters.
While I am sorry for Mrs. Hawkins' loss, and mourn for another police officer struck down by a criminal committing a crime, I don't see how either of the amendments she cited would have saved her son.
The so-called "cop killer bullet" amendment was terribly flawed; it would have outlawed the venerable old .30-30, the deer rifle cartridge that many hunters have used for more than a century.
And the amendment to allow people to sue dealers for negligence was redundant. The proposed law does not remove that right, all it does is shield manufacturers and dealers from junk lawsuits where the plaintiffs claim that the manufacturer and dealer somehow bear responsibility for a criminal's acts.
Would Mrs. Hawkins have us sue Ford or GM the next time a drunk on I-35 runs down a cop assisting a motorist with one of their products? It's the same concept.
Sadly, flawed legislation won't fix anything.
Jim Longley, Allen
The whole text of my reply is below, but they edited it.
While I am sorry for Mrs. Hawkins' loss, and mourn for
another police officer struck down by a criminal
committing a crime, I don't see how either of the
amendments she uses her son's death to justify would
have saved him.
The so called "cop killer bullet" amendment was
terribly flawed, it would have outlawed the venerable
old .30-30, the deer rifle cartridge that many hunters
have used for more than a century, because it could
penetrate a vest that was never designed to stop it.
Sen. Kennedy even implied that the .30-30 was "armor
piercing" during the debate, leading one to ask, once
again, why is he still in the Senate, after all, his
cars have killed more people than my guns.
And the amendment to allow people to sue dealers for
negligence was redundant, the proposed law does not
remove that RIGHT from people, all it does is shield
manufacturers and dealers from junk lawsuits where the
plaintiffs claim that the manufacturer and dealer
somehow bore responsibility when a criminal misused
their product while committing a crime.
Would Mrs. Hawkins has us sue Ford or GM the next time
a drunk on I-35 runs down a cop assisting a motorist
with one of their products? It's the same concept.
I am sorry for your loss, but flawed legislation won't
fix anything.
We had a recent situation right here in the Dallas area where a cop assisting someone was hit by a drunk and killed, but I couldn't remember the name. Of course, as serendipity would have it, there was an article in the papaer today about that cop becaue the guy who killed him was just convicted. What a difference a day makes.
From a slain cop's mom
Re: "Senate approves bill shielding gun makers – Measure bans suits by crime victims; critics say it caters to NRA," Saturday news story.
According to this story, "the Senate voted Friday to shield firearms manufacturers, dealers and importers from lawsuits brought by victims of gun crimes ... "
The U.S. Senate had the ability to protect police officers with amendments to this bill. One would have banned "cop killer" bullets. Another would have preserved the right of police officers injured by guns or the families of officers killed by guns to sue if the gun dealer acted negligently. Sadly, both failed. Neither of our Texas senators voted for them.
My son, police officer Aubrey Hawkins, died in the line of duty on Christmas Eve 2000. He was gunned down by the Texas Seven, escapees from a maximum-security prison in South Texas. I am truly saddened that our senators turned their backs on measures to protect the police officers who put their lives on the line every day.
Jayne Hawkins, Dallas
My reply read:
Revisiting gun liability
Re: "From a slain cop's mom," by Jayne Hawkins, Tuesday Letters.
While I am sorry for Mrs. Hawkins' loss, and mourn for another police officer struck down by a criminal committing a crime, I don't see how either of the amendments she cited would have saved her son.
The so-called "cop killer bullet" amendment was terribly flawed; it would have outlawed the venerable old .30-30, the deer rifle cartridge that many hunters have used for more than a century.
And the amendment to allow people to sue dealers for negligence was redundant. The proposed law does not remove that right, all it does is shield manufacturers and dealers from junk lawsuits where the plaintiffs claim that the manufacturer and dealer somehow bear responsibility for a criminal's acts.
Would Mrs. Hawkins have us sue Ford or GM the next time a drunk on I-35 runs down a cop assisting a motorist with one of their products? It's the same concept.
Sadly, flawed legislation won't fix anything.
Jim Longley, Allen
The whole text of my reply is below, but they edited it.
While I am sorry for Mrs. Hawkins' loss, and mourn for
another police officer struck down by a criminal
committing a crime, I don't see how either of the
amendments she uses her son's death to justify would
have saved him.
The so called "cop killer bullet" amendment was
terribly flawed, it would have outlawed the venerable
old .30-30, the deer rifle cartridge that many hunters
have used for more than a century, because it could
penetrate a vest that was never designed to stop it.
Sen. Kennedy even implied that the .30-30 was "armor
piercing" during the debate, leading one to ask, once
again, why is he still in the Senate, after all, his
cars have killed more people than my guns.
And the amendment to allow people to sue dealers for
negligence was redundant, the proposed law does not
remove that RIGHT from people, all it does is shield
manufacturers and dealers from junk lawsuits where the
plaintiffs claim that the manufacturer and dealer
somehow bore responsibility when a criminal misused
their product while committing a crime.
Would Mrs. Hawkins has us sue Ford or GM the next time
a drunk on I-35 runs down a cop assisting a motorist
with one of their products? It's the same concept.
I am sorry for your loss, but flawed legislation won't
fix anything.
We had a recent situation right here in the Dallas area where a cop assisting someone was hit by a drunk and killed, but I couldn't remember the name. Of course, as serendipity would have it, there was an article in the papaer today about that cop becaue the guy who killed him was just convicted. What a difference a day makes.
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+1KBCraig wrote:I like the long version, Jim. :D
Kevin
That whole Chappaquidic incident just chaps them everytime someone mentions it...
"Irony" always seems to be Kennedy's "Kriptonite", and he ain't Superman...
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If Kryptonite is gin.
I want to say, this is an example of how misguided people try and make gun laws. I am sick and disgusted with the term "cop killer" bullet. I held one in my hand once, and I am still here, so the bullet is not the problem.
The cop-killer is the [abbreviated profanity deleted.] behind the gun the bullet came from.
I also never want miss the chance to type: I HATE TEDDY KENNEDY
Glenn
I want to say, this is an example of how misguided people try and make gun laws. I am sick and disgusted with the term "cop killer" bullet. I held one in my hand once, and I am still here, so the bullet is not the problem.
The cop-killer is the [abbreviated profanity deleted.] behind the gun the bullet came from.
I also never want miss the chance to type: I HATE TEDDY KENNEDY
Glenn
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Nope, thats that bottle of bourbon he has set up as an IV drip during the breaks in his judicial committee meetings...dws1117 wrote:I like the long version better as well. Too bad they didn't print the whole thing.
I always thought his "Kryptonite" was more liquid."Irony" always seems to be Kennedy's "Kriptonite", and he ain't Superman...
You'll see, C-SPAN will air the whole show here next month...When he has the glassie-eyed look on his face everytime they reconviene...
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