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I've got two questions. First off, as I understand it, it's OKAY to have a firearm (pistol) in your car on a public university campus as long as it stays in the car in the parking lot, or on the road. Does a parking garage constitute a building though? Or is it okay to leave the gun in the car if it's in a university parking garage.

Second question. Is it legal to have a knife with a blade of less than 5 inches on your person in college buildings?

I ask because I'll be going to a public university for the first time this fall, and as much as I would like to be able to protect myself, I would also very much like to follow the laws and stay OUT of jail :mrgreen:

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"Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
I don't know any laws prohibiting legal knives at colleges in Texas but they may have policies that could get you kicked out.

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apostate wrote:
"Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
I don't know any laws prohibiting legal knives at colleges in Texas but they may have policies that could get you kicked out.
Good point, I'll look into that. I bet it'll be online somewhere in their site
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Carrying an otherwise legal knife in a college building is legal.
Texas Penal Code wrote:46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(6) "Illegal knife" means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,...
The school prohibits it. You don't even need look at the policy. They prohibit tweezers and nail clippers.

It's pretty ironic when a college chem lab has enough poisonous and potentially explosive substances to wipe out half the campus.

Please don't overlook pepper spray as a defensive measure. Hardly any organization bans it. Somehow it is off their radar.

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SonicmetalicS wrote:I've got two questions. First off, as I understand it, it's OKAY to have a firearm (pistol) in your car on a public university campus as long as it stays in the car in the parking lot, or on the road. Does a parking garage constitute a building though? Or is it okay to leave the gun in the car if it's in a university parking garage.

Second question. Is it legal to have a knife with a blade of less than 5 inches on your person in college buildings?

I ask because I'll be going to a public university for the first time this fall, and as much as I would like to be able to protect myself, I would also very much like to follow the laws and stay OUT of jail :mrgreen:

The law basically says its not ILLEGAL for you to have it in your car...but the "institute of higher learning" that I am currently attending makes sure to tell everyone their policy. NO WEAPONS of any sort, even in cars...and if it is found you have one, you get expelled. I'm going to school on the GI Bill...and the certification I'm getting is something I need to have to get a job...so, like many others, thanks to a VERY small handful of turncoats in our fine state, we are left twisting in the wind while we attend school. There is one guy in particular, I will send CASH to his primary challenger...

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Hmm it's really the LAW I'm concerned about, and it seems I'm in the clear. While being expelled would suck, it's not near as worrisome as a felony and/or jail time.
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Don't take my word for it but...

Parking garages are not "premises". You will not be arrested/prosecuted or expelled for legally storing legal weapons in your vehicle at a public university in Texas. If they are stored properly, then no one will ever know anyways.
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You can bet your sweet bippy you would be expelled if caught with a weapon in a vehicle parked on school grounds.

This is the weapons policy of Texas A&M University at Galveston, which I pulled up simply because it is near me:
Weapons

State law prohibits the possession, carrying or use of illegal weapons or firearms on property that is owned or controlled by Texas A&M University at Galveston. All of these actions are considered to be felony offenses. The weapons-free zone for TAMUG extends 600 feet beyond the campus perimeter.

The only exception to this policy is for authorized law enforcement offices or other persons specifically authorized by TAMUG. Student violations of this policy may additionally result in disciplinary action.
http://www.tamug.edu/police/alcdrgswpns.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I realize that this is legally not enforceable. In particular, the school has no legal authority one inch outside the campus. But they will do whatever damage they can.

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seamusTX wrote:You can bet your sweet bippy you would be expelled if caught with a weapon in a vehicle parked on school grounds.

This is the weapons policy of Texas A&M University at Galveston, which I pulled up simply because it is near me:
Weapons

State law prohibits the possession, carrying or use of illegal weapons or firearms on property that is owned or controlled by Texas A&M University at Galveston. All of these actions are considered to be felony offenses. The weapons-free zone for TAMUG extends 600 feet beyond the campus perimeter.

The only exception to this policy is for authorized law enforcement offices or other persons specifically authorized by TAMUG. Student violations of this policy may additionally result in disciplinary action.
http://www.tamug.edu/police/alcdrgswpns.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I realize that this is legally not enforceable. In particular, the school has no legal authority one inch outside the campus. But they will do whatever damage they can.

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I read my schools and its fairly vague, also no mention of legal knives. It says "students shall not possess a firearm, bullets, or any replica firearm or weapon on school property."
Like stated earlier though, if legally concealed, no one would ever be the wiser (For the gun, the car. For the knife under clothing)
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I don't lose sleep over my car being searched, but I don't have to deal with school rules.

The problem is those "drug and gun" dogs. They have got a lot of people in trouble by alerting on vehicles that contained firearms. When they do that, the police feel that they have probable cause for a search (even if arguably they do not, you will have to prove it in court).

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seamusTX wrote:You can bet your sweet bippy you would be expelled if caught with a weapon in a vehicle parked on school grounds.

This is the weapons policy of Texas A&M University at Galveston, which I pulled up simply because it is near me:
Weapons

State law prohibits the possession, carrying or use of illegal weapons or firearms on property that is owned or controlled by Texas A&M University at Galveston. All of these actions are considered to be felony offenses. The weapons-free zone for TAMUG extends 600 feet beyond the campus perimeter.

The only exception to this policy is for authorized law enforcement offices or other persons specifically authorized by TAMUG. Student violations of this policy may additionally result in disciplinary action.
http://www.tamug.edu/police/alcdrgswpns.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;




I realize that this is legally not enforceable. In particular, the school has no legal authority one inch outside the campus. But they will do whatever damage they can.

- Jim
...A&M's lying to their students in order to promote their control over their property...the law specifically says parking lots and streets aren't covered, and they're saying "on property that is owned or controlled by Texas A&M..." oppressive, to say the least...
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seamusTX wrote:I don't lose sleep over my car being searched, but I don't have to deal with school rules.

The problem is those "drug and gun" dogs. They have got a lot of people in trouble by alerting on vehicles that contained firearms. When they do that, the police feel that they have probable cause for a search (even if arguably they do not, you will have to prove it in court).

- Jim

Its the dogs that concern me, as well. The institute of higher learning that I attend also provides law enforcement training literally right next to the building I have classes in, and they share our parking lot. I know that they have brought dogs there before for training purposes. I understand the difference between premises and property, but those dogs don't...and the administration of the school obviously doesn't care about the law, either.
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...the administration of the school obviously doesn't care about the law, either.
Who appoints those people, anyway?

Governor Perry is faultless on his support of RKBA legislation. He has signed every piece of legislation that has come to his desk, and he has signaled his support of more adventuresome legislation. I don't know if he had anything to do personally with the DPS/CHL streamlining, but that has been great.

However, these other issues fall in the cracks, and unelected administrators get to make rules that have no basis in law.

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The founding fathers knew what to do with officials who exceeded their legitimate authority.
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