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Steve133 wrote:Not to hijack the thread or anything, but I'm in a similar position to the OP - I've been thinking about picking up a 1911 for a while, and now seems a good time to go ahead and pull the trigger: I mean, it is 2011, and I haven't spent my tax refund yet. I've been shooting pistols since I was a kid, but I don't have much experience with the 1911; that said, I've done a little bit of research and I think I'm closing in on what I want to look for.

Specifically, I'm looking for something along the lines of a Series 70 - full size, preferably steel-framed, no firing pin block (I don't want to derail things into an argument over these sorts of details, but in my experience, the addition of more moving parts is never good for the reliability of any mechanical device. Plus, I know that they're different things entirely, but the magazine disconnect on my dad's old Hi-Power and a couple of college years spent shooting Glocks were enough to make me wary of any safety device that could even potentially impact trigger pull). A lot of the other usual points of contention (cast vs. forged frame, MIM vs. milled internals, full-length vs. two-piece guide rod, etc.) don't really make that much difference to me - I'm an engineer, which means two things: I have experience indicating that general craftmanship and material choice is more important than manufacturing techniques in most cases, and I'm a compulsive tinkerer, so most of the internals are probably going to be replaced somewhere along the line anyway. Heck, probably even some of the "externals." In fact, that's one of my reasons for investing in a 1911 in the first place - seems like it would be a good long-term "project gun." This also means that all of the tacti-cool bells and whistles aren't important, since I'll add any of them that are important to me later. Of course, it still needs to run good stock until my gun budget can recover enough to pay for aftermarket parts....

Price is a concern, but one that I can be flexible with (you do tend to get what you pay for with this sort of thing, after all); still, I'd like to stick to below $1000, preferably more in the $600-$800 range. Right now, I'm trying to keep a lookout for a for-reals Series 70 (possibly used, since that's probably the only way to find one in my price range), one of the low- to mid-range Springfield models, or an "entry-level" STI. The SR1911 also sounds intriguing (and Ruger's always done right by me), but I don't know what availability is going to be like. Any other suggestions?
If you are wanting a 70 Series pistol and forged frame, slide, little to no MIM your options as I see it are limited to a older Colt or a new Dan Wesson.

DW is making some very nice 1911s and they are sticking to the series 70 design. Might be a bit north of your budget though.
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Well, I went and fondled a handful of 1911's today and I'm really liking the STI line up. I Am leaning towards the Escort or the Shadow, although I think the Shadow has it. Had the wife with me and she liked the idea, although I was told I "better start saving". But she also said I indeed should have one. :coolgleamA: Thanks for all the suggestions! :tiphat:

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http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/62242
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/36008

In stock now, free shipping. Great place to deal with. Two excellent choices in a 1911 lightweight frame. 9mm or 45, whatever you can handle. I have both, and absolutely love the 45.

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After more and more research, I think I've come to the conclusion that I'd like a commander length slide on an officers frame, (aluminum frame, stainless slide preferred). I REALLY like the Dan Wesson CCO :drool: , and am still intrigued by the Kimber CDP. What other options are out there in that configuration? Doesn't seem to be that many.
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I would save up for a Wilson CQB, or any Ed Brown. The wait and extra $$ is worth it. Both are the only pistols I've seen hold a candle to Colt's Delta Elite 10mm, which is still my favorite accuracy wise.

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atxtj wrote:After more and more research, I think I've come to the conclusion that I'd like a commander length slide on an officers frame, (aluminum frame, stainless slide preferred). I REALLY like the Dan Wesson CCO :drool: , and am still intrigued by the Kimber CDP. What other options are out there in that configuration? Doesn't seem to be that many.
The CCO is a fantastic weapon. You will be very happy with that weapon IMO.
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I've been sizing up the Springfield Lightweight Champion Operator. Great looking pistol. Now only if I could find one to hold and test fire. Though it is spendy, that is currently a front runner as a larger carry gun.
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LeonCarr wrote:As far as 1911s being a topic everyone likes, I personally do not care for them because IME they have more malfunctions and issues than more modern handguns. A gun you trust your life to has to run. Period.

You can buy two Glocks for 1000 bucks.

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spoken from a true glock fanboy.unless your talking about a specific manufacturer then thats pretty ignorant.

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If you want a no problems out of the box then Dan Wesson or Fusion Firearms is the way to go... These are no MIM, Forged, reliable pistols. If $1400 + is too much then I would recommend a Springfield Loaded, which is where I started (with 2 of them actually).

Problem is, I have $1,400 tied up into this one and the only original parts are the Frame/Slide/Barrel...
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If you can swing it get a DW, Fusion or better like Wilson, Les Bauer, etc... You will never regret it and the resale value will be much higher...
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uthornsfan wrote:Am I the only Para-Ordnance owner/fan on this forum???

Para has a great lineup of 1911's
I have an older Para 14-45 that I purchased new, it has never given me any problems, and I like it. But I'll never own another Para for two reasons. First, I have since found out that Para is one of the only 1911 manufacturers to use a cast slide. Lots of people have cast frames, but a cast slide? I've heard of too many people having their slides crack.

Second, as part of Para's move to North Carolina, their quality went right down the commode. From what I understand, they now have long-time employee George Wedge in charge trying to right the ship, but the jury is still out. As you may know, Para's co-founder and president Ted Szabo died a couple years ago. I've seen lots of companies that have a visionary founder leave the company and some companies never survive the transition while others successfully move on to the next generation of management. We'll see.

Also, so no-one gets caught unaware, Para's warranty only applies to the original purchaser. I've known people who bought a used Para, ran into problems like a cracked slide, and Para basically said "tough luck". For me, I was aware of the policy and thus spent the extra $100 or so it cost me to purchase new because I figured the lifetime warranty to original purchaser was worth the cost difference.
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Mr./Ms. Alvins,

If you are calling me a Glock Fanboy, thank you for the compliment :).

My experience with 1911s has been much less than stellar, with every model from low end to high end being unreliable even after top quality gunsmithing. I switched to Glocks and my reliablity problems went away. Off the top of my head I have put about 100,000 rounds through 7 different Glocks since 1994 and the only malfunction I have had was a magazine base slide off when I didn't want it to (Of course right in the middle of an IDPA Classifier). I have yet to meet a 1911 with that kind of reliability.

Not trying to hijack any threads, just saying that not everybody likes the 1911.

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my 2 cents

buy a used/good condition Colt Combat Commander

skip all the pig trails I went down on my way to a CCC :thumbs2:
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Well, should finally update this thread! I picked up a nice used STI Shadow today and could not be happier with it, it really is a great compromise between my colt series 70 and my Kahr pm9. Gotta love the way a nice aluminum 1911 feels in the hand. :mrgreen: But, I'm still on the hunt for the Dan Wesson CCO as well. (don't tell my wife!!) ;-)
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