glock 18...fully auto....class 3 permit....chl.....

[Syntax360]

Seriously, I know for a FACT I read it maybe 10 years ago and ignored it.

Not unless you can prove it.

Especially if you think it may have been stricken.

[txinvestigator]

You cannot carry a machine gun under auspices of CHL.

You may be right, but where is that in the Penal Code?

Chas.

I was hoping you would find it for me.

Seriously, I know for a FACT I read it maybe 10 years ago and ignored it. Been looking recently and I cannot find it. I am now wondering if I read it in the original bill and it was stricken. I also remember in the original bill the sticker you had to put on your car. Do you remember that? That of course was stricken. I wish I could find the original bill or at least the original bill enrolled into law.

Under CHL you can carry a pistol, With the proper paperwork, you can carry a full auto weapon.

So, with a CHL and registration under the NFA one CAN carry a fully automatic pistol; foolish as it may be.

And our OP will not be carry a GLock 18.

[kauboy]

ya, thats what im lookin for....cold hard evidence of the sort. please share when an if you do look an succeed

Well, you must be new to this law stuff
Try finding "cold hard evidece" for post office carry, traveling in Texas with a handgun and no CHL, and a few other topics that nobody can seem to put a finger on.

Speaking of which, Chuck, I heard that there is no actual law on the books that requires us to pay federal income tax. I know its the norm to do so and all, but is it actually a law? If so, how do these crackpot groups come up with their argument.

[lrb111]

I heard that there is no actual law on the books that requires us to pay federal income tax. I know its the norm to do so and all, but is it actually a law? If so, how do these crackpot groups come up with their argument.

I met a fellow about 20 years ago that had gone along with some folks that thought IRS tax collection could be defeated. The guy i met was about a week out of prison, after serving 5 years, iirc. His advice on the subject was "Don't listen to them." point taken...

[Charles L. Cotton]

I am now wondering if I read it in the original bill and it was stricken. I also remember in the original bill the sticker you had to put on your car. Do you remember that? That of course was stricken. I wish I could find the original bill or at least the original bill enrolled into law.

I do remember the car sticker now that you mention it. There was a lot of goofy stuff in several of the failed bills. I have most of the old CHL bills and my analysis reports going back several years in my long-term storage so I may have to pull some of them and just post a few of the funny/interesting proposals that were proposed and defeated. Some of the “discussions� were hilarious - like the one about the 30.06 sign requirements!

Back to the topic: there is nothing in SB60's engrossed version that deals with machine pistols and I think txinvestigator's evaluation is correct. CHL covers handgun and NFA papers covers the full-auto part.

I should pull my files and write a book about the CHL saga in Texas, but there's a problem. There would only be a handful of people who would be interested, so that would guarantee it top slot on the "Worst Seller List." About one more non-revenue-generating project in my life and my wife will put her Thunder Ranch training to good use.

Chas.

[garya]

i just copy the mail most of the time but this is it. wy not mount a M-2 on our car with api's. don't mean to ? yoiur jugment but?

[seamusTX]

I should pull my files and write a book about the CHL saga in Texas, but there's a problem. There would only be a handful of people who would be interested,...

That's why we have web sites, for information of interest to a smaller group of readers.

I think the audience might not be so small. At least a dozen states either prohibit citizens from carrying weapons, or have such restrictive laws that they might as well have no permits at all (I've read that Hawaii has one active permit.)

The experience in Texas could guide activists and legislators in other states in what works, and in particular about all the dire hypothetical scenarios that never came to pass.

- Jim

[kauboy]

I heard that there is no actual law on the books that requires us to pay federal income tax. I know its the norm to do so and all, but is it actually a law? If so, how do these crackpot groups come up with their argument.

I met a fellow about 20 years ago that had gone along with some folks that thought IRS tax collection could be defeated. The guy i met was about a week out of prison, after serving 5 years, iirc. His advice on the subject was "Don't listen to them." point taken...

I'm curious to know what they charged him with. I'm sure you didn't ask, but I would like to know if the charge is "Failure to pay Federal Income Tax", or if they were brought up on charges of "Attempting to undermine a Federal collections agency"(or something like that ).

[lrb111]

I think it was straight up "tax evasion". In what little he said about it, it was the fact that he had made a concerted effort to avoid the taxes that got him clobbered

[AV8R]

It's worth noting that machine pistols and some other smaller submachineguns were designed to fill a highly mission specific role.

In the early 90s I carried a Beretta 92A for a few months (not in the US) hoping it would make a good anti-hijack gun, as an epidemic of on-the-road hijackings was going on then, the BGs attacking, then retreating over a nearby border for safety. A few well-placed rounds from my F-350 into a car alongside could make all the difference in the outcome of this scenario, which usually occurred at night. The 92A seemed that it might be potentially useful here, as it would fire single-shot, or three-round bursts. Unfortunately, it was the least accurate 9mm I'd ever seen in single-shot, and in burst, I couldn't hit the side of a barn with it. To this day, I can't think of anything the 92A would do particularly well, except make a lot of light and noise. In the end, I went back to the trusted G17 for carry, and a 12ga. for the car, a combination I still use today.

[G.C.Montgomery]

...To this day, I can't think of anything the 92A would do particularly well, except make a lot of light and noise. In the end, I went back to the trusted G17 for carry, and a 12ga. for the car, a combination I still use today.

Hey, sometimes making a lot of light and noise is all you need. I've been fortunate enough to never have the need for any of that sort of equipment. I know very few people, except SAW gunners and a limited few others, who have ever found a use for full-auto weapons of any kind.

I'd certainly like to own a Glock 18 and may be a Beretta 93R just for the novelty of ownership. But I can't see any advantage to carrying one for my own personal defense. In the real world where real bullets have serious liability issues attached to them and you have limited ammunition to deal with a threat, it really seems a Glock 18 creates more problems than it solves. Besides, I've learned I can shoot plenty fast enough on my own to keep just about anybody's head down.

[AV8R]

...To this day, I can't think of anything the 92A would do particularly well, except make a lot of light and noise. In the end, I went back to the trusted G17 for carry, and a 12ga. for the car, a combination I still use today.

:lol: Hey, sometimes making a lot of light and noise is all you need. I've been fortunate enough to never have the need for any of that sort of equipment. I know very few people, except SAW gunners and a limited few others, who have ever found a use for full-auto weapons of any kind.

Light and noise can be very upsetting, especially when completely unexpected. An old friend (Vietnam artillery sergeant) taught me his tried-and-true technique of opening up as soon as his sidearm cleared leather, which had shown good results for him in initiating course reversals among armed peasantry encountered on trails. I'm reluctant to bring this up, as it would be irresponsible to suggest that this kind of social introduction might be useful in a Walmart parking lot, but things are getting more dangerous around here all the time.

My youngest son, who carries a G17, is a believer in carefully-aimed firepower. When he travels, he carries a G18 magazine in the car with him. That gives him light and noise to spare while he's getting out of harm's way.