The Other Policeman Who Confronted Hasan...

[ELB]

I, like anyone else with a brain, applauded Officer Kim Munley's response to the scumbag at Ft Hood. She acted bravely, and rightly should be commended for that.

I have to say that I did have some reservations about the details and how the story was being played. Every single one would say she and her partner responded, but exclusively focused on her and what she allegedly did. The partner was never named, or even mentioned beyond he was with her and responded. Some accounts say she fired four shots that hit scumbag; some merely say scumbag was hit by four shots. Along with the adage about "first accounts are always inaccurate", it made me suspicious that too much was focused on her, and that the story of her partner was being ignored. Perhaps part of it was due to her being badly wounded; I also wondered if there was another media-created Jessica Lynch effect. Again, Munley is brave and should be recognized -- but her partner should be recognized also.

So last night I ran across this article (updated version below):
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9BR1U5O2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Officer describes firefight that downed Hasan

By JAY ROOT (AP) – 16 hours ago

KILLEEN, Texas — One of two police officers who confronted the alleged Fort Hood killer says he shot Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan before kicking the man's weapon away, handcuffing him and ending the nation's worst killing spree on a military base.

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Seconds after Todd arrived on the scene, he said he saw a calm-looking Hasan, his gun drawn and his fingers pointing at people.

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"I told him stop and drop your weapons. I identified myself as police and he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word ... he just turned and fired."

There has been confusion since Thursday's rampage about whose bullets actually brought down Hasan, who was shot four times. At first, Munley's supervisor said it was her shot to Hasan's torso that leveled him, but Army officials would only say that an investigation was under way.

Munley was down by the time he engaged Hasan, Todd said. He wasn't sure if Munley had wounded the suspect, because "once he started firing at me, I lost track of her."

Todd said he fired his Beretta at Hasan. Hasan flinched, Todd said, then slid down against a telephone pole and fell on his back. Todd says he then heard bystanders say "two more, two more."

At first he thought they meant there were two more suspects, but realized they were urging him to fire two more rounds at Hasan, thinking he was still posing a threat.
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From the time he got to the scene until Hasan dropped, the whole encounter lasted only about 30-45 seconds, Todd said.

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Lots more at the link. Searching on "Mark Todd Hood" I find only one more story mentioning him, and it also says he brought down Hasan after Munley was wound.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 9467.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mr surveyor]

I agree...not taking anything at all from the bravery and determination of officer Munley, I too smell the whole Jessica Lynch mentality of the media. She did her job, and did it well, as did her partner. The details will be buried on page three, next month.


surv

[MoJo]

I agree...not taking anything at all from the bravery and determination of officer Munley, I too smell the whole Jessica Lynch mentality of the media. She did her job, and did it well, as did her partner. The details will be buried on page three, next month.


surv

Don't you mean next week?

[surprise_i'm_armed]

If the military cared to preserve the evidence, it seems that the
bullets recovered from the bad guy's body could be forensically tested
in order to determine which police officer fired which bullets.

Both LEO's guns were M9's. It's highly likely that they were using the same
brand of ammo.

Even with those 2 similarities, forensic testing should determine who
fired which rounds into the perp, IMHO.

Credit where credit is due is fair.

As long as it turns out that Officer Munley hit the BG with at least 1 round,
she can be an inspiration for women shooters everywhere. And if a 5'2" woman
can stop evil with her 9, maybe some other women will move up from a mouse gun
to something more substantial.

SIA

[bdickens]

Personally, I don't care which one of them took Major Jihad down. As far as I'm concerned they both did.

[srothstein]

As happens quite often in law enforcement, one partner gets the credit or blame for an event that both (or more) took part in. I think they both deserve full credit for taking down the shooter and it could not have happened without teamwork, no matter who fired the shots.

And Officer Munley should be an inspiration to everyone (not just women) just for being there and getting into the fight. Whether she actually hit the target or not is irrelevant to how much of an inspiration she is.

But, this does prove the weakness of the 9mm. He was hit multiple times with the 9 and is now awake and talking. I doubt he would have survived if the Amry still used 1911's in .45acp.

[mr.72]

But, this does prove the weakness of the 9mm. He was hit multiple times with the 9 and is now awake and talking. I doubt he would have survived if the Amry still used 1911's in .45acp.

tsk tsk.

It just proves that the cops need to improve their shot placement

[android]

But, this does prove the weakness of the 9mm. He was hit multiple times with the 9 and is now awake and talking. I doubt he would have survived if the Amry still used 1911's in .45acp.

Oh puleeeeze.... Using that logic, everyone he shot with the even smaller and weaker 5.7 should be out doing cartwheels. Obviously that round is much to small to hurt anyone. Please, quit spouting off about how magical the .45ACP is. It ain't.

[Keith B]

But, this does prove the weakness of the 9mm. He was hit multiple times with the 9 and is now awake and talking. I doubt he would have survived if the Amry still used 1911's in .45acp.

Oh puleeeeze.... Using that logic, everyone he shot with the even smaller and weaker 5.7 should be out doing cartwheels. Obviously that round is much to small to hurt anyone. Please, quit spouting off about how magical the .45ACP is. It ain't.

I think you missed the laughing emoticon at the end of the statement.

[C-dub]

The odds might be better with a .45, but wasn't there a thread a month or two ago where someone was hit by the police with 5-6 rounds from a .45 and sustained no life threatening injuries?

[srothstein]

To be honest, I know that there are a lot of cases where the .45 has failed. And, as I explained to my daughter (she asked why I was laughing at the comment), the 9 did its job quite well. The job of the officer and the round was to stop the threat. The rounds put him down on the ground, caused him to cease shooting, and allowed him to be taken into custody. It did exactly what was asked of it. It is not the job of the officer to execute sentence, just to apprehend.

I also have to point out that she was an Army employee, using Army owned weapons and ammo. I would bet she was carrying ball ammo, since that is what the Army would stock. And I cannot really argue with its performance, even if we know how little we would want to depend on ball ammo.

As a cop, I see humor in some unusual situations and ways. With all the talk about the capabilities of the 5.7 round, it struck me that someone would be asking about the round Off. Munley used. With all the historical debate about the .45 and the 9mm, I just couldn't resist the jab. I apologize if my sense of humor bothered anyone.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

"9MM was invented by Europeans to annoy their neighbors."
Author unknown.

I would say Mr. Fort Hood Madman was sufficiently annoyed by 4 rounds of
European-inspired lead to cease his aggression towards innocents.

Some people say "I shoot a .45 because shooting twice is silly",
but I have a 9 with 11 shots on tap.

I don't mind shooting twice or 11 times. That's what they are in the magazine for !! :-)

SIA

[magicglock]

I'm not sure I care much about who shot him first or even how many shots were fired. They are both heros! I just want to know which one should be held accountable for the poor shot placement resulting in my tax dollars continuing to keep this scumbag alive.

[chabouk]

I also have to point out that she was an Army employee, using Army owned weapons and ammo. I would bet she was carrying ball ammo, since that is what the Army would stock.

I know someone who is a DoD police officer (on Kwajalein), so I'll ask him, but in the meantime I would speculate that the "Army issue" thing ends with the choice of the M9. I'm pretty sure DoD police carry what most other civilian police officers carry when it comes to ammo: the JHP that is cheapest in bulk.

[kirock7]

I would really like to see a picture of this officer. A Google image search doesn't pull him up yet.