Another CHL goes home at the end of the night

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Re: Another CHL goes home at the end of the night

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fm2 wrote:Understanding where you are on the power curve and OODA loop has much to do with establishing initiative in a SD.
Phew. fm2, that caught my attention. It seems like you condensed 2 paragraphs into one short sentence. Care to elaborate? I'm certainly not challenging you, but I would like to be able to understand your meaning of those words better. This is a learning environment for me.
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Good for him any way the perp was armed. :hurry: :smash:

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mymojo wrote:
Fangs wrote:Good job on out drawing a drawn gun. :thumbs2:
Are we sure the perp had a gun? It just says "armed". He may have had a knife or club.
If he was close enough to push the intended victim up against a car, he was close enough that a knife would be worse than a gun: you can't make a knife jam, it doesn't confine its effects to a <.5" wide straight line, and it never runs out of ammunition.

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joe817 wrote:
fm2 wrote:Understanding where you are on the power curve and OODA loop has much to do with establishing initiative in a SD.
Phew. fm2, that caught my attention. It seems like you condensed 2 paragraphs into one short sentence. Care to elaborate? I'm certainly not challenging you, but I would like to be able to understand your meaning of those words better. This is a learning environment for me.
The bg, vca, opponent, is going to create advantage to meet their goals. That's a set up which most favors them and least favors you. It's not a contest of skills, they are there to get paid. So stacking the odds puts them in the dominant position of power. They have the initiative, they are ahead in the power curve and action always beats reaction. Understanding position(stronger-weaker) and how to transition is imperitive. For the gg to overcome that deficiet, dig out of that hole they started in, the gg needs to break the bg's initiative and establish their own.


The key is to obscure your intentions, improve your position, make them subtle and unpredictable to your opponent(s) (bg) while at the same time you clarify his intentions. That is, to take some of the initiative from the opponent(s). That can be made through changes in language (ie.. feign compliance), tempo, emotion, position, etc.... Then rapidly change the conditions while hindering the opponent(s) awareness and ability to react.

It's a lot easier to show than to type.
I hope that helps.
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KD5NRH wrote:If he was close enough to push the intended victim up against a car, he was close enough that a knife would be worse than a gun: you can't make a knife jam, it doesn't confine its effects to a <.5" wide straight line, and it never runs out of ammunition.
True, but the knife doesn't allow you to break range and still be effective.
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fm2, many thanks for a great explanation. I understand. The gg is being proactive instead of reactive. Makes perfect sense.
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