How SEALs Carried Out Their Mission

[dukalmighty]

What really makes me angry is recently there was an attack on another ship and NATO forces caught the Pirates (BUT THEY RELEASED THEM BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ATTACK ONE OF THEIR COUNTRYS SHIPS) ,NOW THEY ARE ABLE TO GO GET MORE WEAPONS AND ATTACK MORE SHIPS

[fickman]

Keep in mind that the guys on the fantail with bipods and rifles are just a nice picture to throw us all off. We may never know the actual methodology of what happened, and in my opinion, we shouldn't.

What do you think happened?

How are they making the captain remain silent about it? What about the others on the ship? Wouldn't they eventually tell their family, friends, or neighbors?

I'm not saying you're bringing forth a full conspiracy theory. . . just trying to figure out what you think might have happened and how they'd keep it under wraps.

[KungFu]

I recieved this email from a coworker (retired Marine), a few days after the standoff ended.
This is not in Snopes. The source to me is generally reliable. Considering the time (4 days) it took to resolve the situation, this account is credible.


Subject: AH, now it comes out


Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the pirates all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction

4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the pirates were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.

5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams

6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead pirates

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's bull.


So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.



Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken. The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable. After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscenecommander decided he’d had enough. Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots. Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness. Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

[Greybeard]

Yep, KungFu, my brother sent me a similar recap a few days ago.

And I had already seen similar on another forum. IIRC, it contained e-mail verbiage from a Navy guy on site and indicated 4 shots (not 3) and 4 big bullet holes in the boat. Again, not sure at this point if truth or trash. But hey, "3 for 3" by the media sounds much better than one round might have actually missed, huh?

[srothstein]

Just so you know, snopes now says the email is false.

here is their link (and this time they give their sources): http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/pirates.asp

[stroo]

The Snopes recount seems like a lot of high ranking officers covering for their boss because they don't want him to look bad. Not unreasonable behavior on their part. A long time ago, I lived next door to a SAC intelligence officer. He told me to never believe what the media printed about military operations or what the military said about military operations. In this case, I think I will take his advice and believe the email, not the high ranking officers cited by Snopes.

[KungFu]

Ahhh, thanks for the update... When I initially recieved it there wasnt anything on Snopes.

[dleewo]

In this case, I think I will take his advice and believe the email, not the high ranking officers cited by Snopes.

In all likelyhood neither account is probably 100% accurate and the truth may be somewhere in between. The unfortunate part is that people will latch on to which ever version suits their own agenda which will only serve to further polarize the anti and pro Obama folks.

[Purplehood]

Keep in mind that the guys on the fantail with bipods and rifles are just a nice picture to throw us all off. We may never know the actual methodology of what happened, and in my opinion, we shouldn't.

What do you think happened?

How are they making the captain remain silent about it? What about the others on the ship? Wouldn't they eventually tell their family, friends, or neighbors?

I'm not saying you're bringing forth a full conspiracy theory. . . just trying to figure out what you think might have happened and how they'd keep it under wraps.

No conspiracy at all. The Captain was in the middle of things. He may have absolutely no awareness at all of what did actually happen other than suddenly there were dead guys around him.
I would bet you money that the crew of the ship was no where near the fantail and hadn't been since the Feds got involved.
The best way to keep things under wraps is let everyone else (the media in particular) go on about how things happened, and leave it at that. You should have seen the crazy things said by the media in Afghanistan that had no basis in reality. But that is another story.

[Greybeard]

The story evidently got pretty broad distribution on april 18 from here:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=95451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
How Obama actually delayed pirate rescue
SEAL team deployment stalled 36 hours, hampered by limited rules of engagement

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Posted: April 18, 2009
11:45 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Editor's note: The following is adapted from an exclusive report in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter edited by the founder of WND. You can access the full report by subscribing to G2 Bulletin for $99 a year or $9.95 per month for credit card users.

Maersk Alabama Capt. Richard Phillips,
right, with Cmdr. Frank Castellano of the
USS Bainbridge, after being rescued.

WASHINGTON – While Barack Obama is basking in praise for his "decisive" handling of the Somali pirate attack on a merchant ship in the India Ocean, reliable military sources close to the scene are painting a much different picture of the incident – accusing the president of employing restrictive rules of engagement that actually hampered the rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips and extended the drama at sea for days.

Multiple opportunities to free the captain of the Maersk Alabama from three young pirates were missed, these sources say – all because a Navy SEAL team was not immediately ordered to the scene and then forced to operate under strict, non-lethal rules of engagement.

They say the response duty office at the Pentagon was initially unwilling to grant an order to use lethal force to rescue Phillips. They also report the White House refused to authorize deployment of a Navy SEAL team to the location for 36 hours, despite the recommendation of the on-scene commander.

The White House also turned down two rescue plans offered up by the Seal commander on the scene and the captain of the USS Bainbridge.

The SEAL team operated under rules of engagement that required them to do nothing unless the hostage's life was in "imminent' danger.

In fact, when the USS Bainbridge dispatched a rigid-hull inflatable boat to bring supplies to the Maersk Alabama, it came under fire that could not be returned even though the SEAL team had the pirates in their sights.

Many hours before the fatal shots were fired, taking out the three young pirates, Phillips jumped into the Indian Ocean with the idea of giving the snipers a clear target. However, the SEAL team was still under orders not to shoot.

Hours later, frustrated by the missed opportunities to resolve the standoff, the commander of the Bainbridge and the captain of the Navy SEAL team determined they had operational authority to evaluate the risk to the hostage, and took out the pirates at the first opportunity – finally freeing Phillips.

The G2 Bulletin report was authored by Joseph Farah, founder and editor of WND, and a veteran newsman with extensive military sources developed over the last 30 years.

The full report is available now exclusively at Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

[Keith B]

"Pirates??? I'm sorry, you misunderstood my last TelePrompter statement."



"Wait a minute now, I didn't authorize ATTACKS on the Pirates, I authorized A TAX on the pirates"

[CompVest]

Cute!

[CainA]

The White House also turned down two rescue plans offered up by the Seal commander on the scene and the captain of the USS Bainbridge.

This sounds like total micro-management to me!

Don't offer up any plans to the WH, do whatcha gotta do to git 'er done!!

-Cain

[TruckingDeals]

Obamer didn't want to kill the pirates because he figured they were his voters.

[Purplehood]

Obamer didn't want to kill the pirates because he figured they were his voters.

I am watching the news for ACORN flags on pirate boats from now on.