Accuracy of new Glock 27

[CC Italian]

Ok, so I have had the new Glock for a few months. Between 12-15 yards I can hit the target in the torso area every time but my grouping is all over the place. I would say I have a 6-7 inch grouping. I am a smaller guy and I have shot .45s before but they were all in 1911 frames. This .40 in a sub-compact is a little rough. Obviously I know it won't be as accurate as a standard or full length barrel and it will have more recoil but for a CC gun what distance should I be proficient with it? I know I could pass the CC class again but that was pretty easy and close up.Anything past 15 yards would start to become a problem. What do you guys think any suggestions? This is my first sub-compact in a large caliber. Thanks

[OverEasy]

Welcome aboard!
You might try one of the 'pinky extensions' on the magazine. Some add 1 more round capacity to the magazine. I have one for my G33. I have even gone to a G32 magazine with a grip spacer.
See: http://www.shootersplus.com/magazine___grip_extensions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've found having more grip to hold on to helps me. I don't have any trouble concealing under a cover garment. If I have to put my G33 in a small place I can use a stock flat bottom magazine.
Regards, OE

[Greybeard]

Quote: "Between 12-15 yards I can hit the target in the torso area every time but my grouping is all over the place. I would say I have a 6-7 inch grouping."

You did not mention how much time you spent in obtaining that 6-7 inch grouping, but if it's six to seven shots from concealement in less than 5 seconds, it would be downright respectable.

[The Annoyed Man]

I don't shoot my HK USP Compact in .40 S&W as well as I shoot my 3" Kimber in .45 ACP. Even though it is a larger and marginally heavier pistol, the recoil in the H&K is noticeably snappier - even with a magazine pinky rest. Combined with the inferior quality of the H&K trigger, it makes accuracy more difficult. I would imagine that in a sub-compact, it would be worse yet.

The .40 S&W is not my favorite cartridge so far. It's not the amount of recoil that bothers me (I shoot my 5" .44 magnum revolver quite well), it is the snappy character of the recoil that I find off-putting. It may be just fine in duty sized weapons, but I think that .45 ACP might be a better choice in a compact/sub-compact platform. At least that's how it seems to me personally. I know that .40 works OK for others; just not so well for me - at least not in my pistol.

[diverge]

Try the 26 in 9mm. A subcompact in .40 S&W will produce alot of kick. You might be milking the grip.

[diverge]

The handle is the hard part to conceal not barrel. So if you are going to add a pinky extension to a subcompact then you might as well go with a compact(ie. 23 over 27). The barrel length comes into play more if you wear appendix. My .02 cents.

Find a gun range that rents the 23 and try it out.

[CC Italian]

The shots I would say come at about one per second in a stance mode, not from concealment. Every time I shoot I have to reset some, this is at 12-15 yards. I don't think it would take more then 10 seconds for me to fire off the nine round clip accurately from a stance position. I guess what I am saying is that I would not be comfortable shooting off more then 1 round a second on average unless it was within 8 yards. Also, I already have the extension on the pinky and it helps a lot. Either way I will keep practicing. If it doesn't work out I will look into the 23 or the 26.

[MyNameIsPaul]

Keep us updated as to how your shooting is going. I have a Sigma .40, and it's a tad too big to conceal for me, so I am thinking about the Glock 27 instead. I'd like to stay with the .40, but if it's as snappy as you say and hard to shoot, I may go with the 26.

Either way, I've got some time... I need to take the CHL class soon!

[Skiprr]

My opinion--and it is only opinion--is that your primary concern for concealed-carry personal defense should deal with scenarios at 7 yards and less. I'm certainly not saying longer range accuracy is unimportant: it certainly is important, and it helps hone trigger control and other skills. But the odds of you ever using your handgun as a CHL at 25 yards are slim to none.

Years of law enforcement statistics never waiver on the fact that the vast majority of officer-involved shootings occur at less than 21 feet. In fact, the oft-cited NYPD's SOP9 showed that 88% of all their shootings were at 21 feet or less, and 69% were at 6 feet or less. It is also almost 100% certain that one or both subjects in all shootings at these distances were moving.

This is a subject I'm sorta passionate about; it was the clinic I was going to conduct at the Texas CHL Forum Day. Hopefully next year.

To me, beyond basic safety, gunhandling, and shooting skills, most of what's practiced at the typical, commercial range doesn't do much for the set of skills you are most likely to really need in an emergency, self-defense encounter. Training to shoot very tight groups at 25 yards is like teaching your teenager to drive by spending most of her practice time on parallel parking. Will she ever need to parallel park? Sure. But that isn't a skill that's going to be involved in the vast majority of her time behind the wheel of a car.

To me, the important aspects for personal readiness would be developing a fast and repeatable combative drawstroke, understanding how to clear or close at extreme close quarters, and the ability to fire two to four shots quickly with adequate accuracy out to about 12-15 feet.

Again, I'm not saying to ignore 25-yard accuracy. But the truth is, no matter how accurate you are at the range at 25 yards, under the adrenaline pump of a real emergency all that fine motor function and breath control will be out the window, anyway.

If you're already holding 6" to 7" groups at 15 yards, my pitch would be concerned with gaining speed, not tighter accuracy. A 6" group is perfectly adequate combat accuracy. Now, that doesn't speak to your comfort with the G27. I have one, and I trust the lil' guy but I don't enjoy shooting it. The biggest difficulty I have, using my own criteria, is that it will start to shift shot-to-shot in my hand, lessening my ability to fire rapidly.

[CC Italian]

That has been an idea I have been thinking about myself. I am thinking about taking a defensive firearm training course at one of the accredited classes in the Houston area. I know they are a little expensive but I am sure any help with firearm protection is worth it.