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flintknapper wrote:This time.. the thieving #$%^&^*'s at UPS ripped open the end of the box and steal the slide! I call Kel-Tec immediately to have them file a claim. They agree to do this and then tell me they will be sending a blued or parkerized slide to replace it. I told them that was not acceptable, that I had sent them a highly customized slide. They acknowledged as much, but still refused to send anything but a regular slide back. At this point I lost it. I told them I would be sending the rest of the pistol back to them, and they could reimburse me or not, I really didn't care. I told them that I would not make it my life's mission to "slam them" but if anyone ever asked my opinion or brought the subject up....I would happily share my experience. They sent me a check for the amount I purchased the pistol for, and I just had to "eat" the cost of the "smithing".
Let me see . . . if I buy a widget from you then add a million dollars in diamonds to it . . . then send it back to you to add an extra screw . . . and then it’s lost. Why in the world would I expect you to reimburse me for the lost million in diamonds.

Now if I had notified you in advance that I expected you to add a million dollars in additional insurance out of your small profit for adding that screw, you could decide whether you wanted to add that screw or not. I seriously doubt that you advised Kel-Tec in advance you would require Kel-Tec add extra insurance at their own cost to cove your improvements to your slide.

While I can’t excuse Kel-Tec’s other errors, I consider their action on the slide replacement absolutely correct, except I wouldn’t have offered a repurchase. Anything more would be a stupid business decision.

I pointed out to friend recently not to have his pistol hard chromed by other than the factory until it was absolutely perfect. Any defective part replaced after it was hard chromed would be replaced with a part in the pistols original finish. He decide to gamble anyway :???:
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Wilson wrote:
flintknapper wrote:This time.. the thieving #$%^&^*'s at UPS ripped open the end of the box and steal the slide! I call Kel-Tec immediately to have them file a claim. They agree to do this and then tell me they will be sending a blued or parkerized slide to replace it. I told them that was not acceptable, that I had sent them a highly customized slide. They acknowledged as much, but still refused to send anything but a regular slide back. At this point I lost it. I told them I would be sending the rest of the pistol back to them, and they could reimburse me or not, I really didn't care. I told them that I would not make it my life's mission to "slam them" but if anyone ever asked my opinion or brought the subject up....I would happily share my experience. They sent me a check for the amount I purchased the pistol for, and I just had to "eat" the cost of the "smithing".
Let me see . . . if I buy a widget from you then add a million dollars in diamonds to it . . . then send it back to you to add an extra screw . . . and then it’s lost. Why in the world would I expect you to reimburse me for the lost million in diamonds.

Now if I had notified you in advance that I expected you to add a million dollars in additional insurance out of your small profit for adding that screw, you could decide whether you wanted to add that screw or not. I seriously doubt that you advised Kel-Tec in advance you would require Kel-Tec add extra insurance at their own cost to cove your improvements to your slide.

While I can’t excuse Kel-Tec’s other errors, I consider their action on the slide replacement absolutely correct, except I wouldn’t have offered a repurchase. Anything more would be a stupid business decision.

I pointed out to friend recently not to have his pistol hard chromed by other than the factory until it was absolutely perfect. Any defective part replaced after it was hard chromed would be replaced with a part in the pistols original finish. He decide to gamble anyway :???:

Wilson,

I am going to forward this post to Kel-Tec just in case they're looking for someone. Sounds like you're "just their kinda guy". :grin:

Thank you, for your point of view...but lets get rid of all the "diamonds" and "million dollar" posturing, and bring this back down to earth.

The cost for Kel-Tec to insure the item I sent them is exactly what it cost ME to insure it when I sent it to them (a whopping $1.20)! UPS will insure items valued over $100.00 up to $300.00 for an additional $1.20 and then .40 per $100.00 after that.

And yeah, I expect to get back what I sent you. If upon receiving the item... you have any issues about insurance or your ability to perform the services requested, call me. Gunsmiths deal with this all the time. However, if you accept the package and agree to work on the item, then yes, you are responsible for it.

Certainly, it was not Kel-Tec's fault that someone at UPS stole the slide (the empty box actually arrived), but it remains their unfortunate responsibilty to file the claim and to have the item properly insured.

I was not trying to take advantage of Kel-Tec in any way. In fact, I paid the shipping three separate times to return it to them for warranty work. By the time I shipped it to them and Jack Fuselier (4 shipments total... just to get a gun that would function), I had about 1/4 the cost of the gun tied up in it.

I even gave my business address to them for return shipment, so it would save them money. I live in the country and it would have cost them more to deliver to a rural address. I did everything I could to be reasonable.

I dealt with the same service rep. each time...so he was familiar with my problems, the attempted remedies, the customized features, and how many times it had been shipped.

Now, if George Kelgren, his service rep. and you.. all went to the same business school and conclude that a $1.20 and a meager amount of personal service is just too much effort to put forth, then don't expect alot of repeat business from me.

You may take some solace in knowing that you made the proper business decision though! ;-)


Now thats a proper rant! :grin:

Just my .02 on it. Nothing personal.
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WNallG30

I might draw some disagreement here on a BUG. I, too, looked at the Kel-Tec 3AT .380. I found that I didn't like the feel. It just felt too skinny in my hand. I ended up buying a Beretta Tomcat .32. Its a heavier gun than the KelTec, but I found that I liked the feel. Along with the weight, another "issue" is the long and heavy trigger pull. But overall, I like the gun. Just a suggestion for something for you to look.
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Just picked 1 up at the gun show. I'll take it to the range sometime this week.

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DMoses wrote:Just picked 1 up at the gun show. I'll take it to the range sometime this week.
I just returned from Shooter's Station in Conroe, and put about 150 rounds through my P3AT.

It did not like the Winchester 95gr FMJ Target Load. I had all kinds of FTF's and FTE's with it. The moment I switched to the Sellier & Bellot 92gr FMJ Target Load, I had absolutely no problems. It fired without a hitch using the S&B Ammo.

As a carry round I use the Speer Gold Dot in my .45, and had to put some through the .380 to check them out. The P3AT ran perfectly with the Gold Dot. Not a singlt hitch.

Just so you know that the P3AT is a picky gun. Different ammo, different performance. And I've never had a problem with Winchester ammo before.

Have fun with the new little shooter!

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HOSSISFREE wrote:
DMoses wrote: The P3AT ran perfectly with the Gold Dot. Not a singlt hitch.

Just so you know that the P3AT is a picky gun. Different ammo, different performance. And I've never had a problem with Winchester ammo before.

Have fun with the new little shooter!

Hoss

Glad to hear you had a good time and that you found a round that it likes.

The difference in overall length of each cartridge (and bullet shape) can have a lot to do with how well it feeds.

Its great that it worked out for you.
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Well, I did it. I bought a P-3AT today. I'll probably be going out Saturday to try it out. I also got the Uncle Mikes pocket holster to try. I'm sure I'll check out some others, but the store had the Uncle Mikes in stock so I decided "what the heck" and got one. And yesterday was 30 days since I mailed my CHL packet. I'm getting there!

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I pick one up a couple weeks ago and really, really like it.

I took it to the range and ran a couple boxes of WWB followed by a box of WW ranger HPs. The gun ran great! No hiccups. Worked weak hand and strong hand only drills too. It was as accurate as you could expect in a gun of this size.

Recoil is snappy but very manageable.

I run around in shorts and a T shirt most all the time. This thing fits the bill for a true pocket pistol.

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kyreb wrote:I pick one up a couple weeks ago and really, really like it.

I took it to the range and ran a couple boxes of WWB followed by a box of WW ranger HPs. The gun ran great! No hiccups. Worked weak hand and strong hand only drills too. It was as accurate as you could expect in a gun of this size.

Recoil is snappy but very manageable.

I run around in shorts and a T shirt most all the time. This thing fits the bill for a true pocket pistol.
Hey! Welcome to the forums. +1 on the Kel-tec's I have the P-11 9mm and it makes a great pocket gun. Drop by the "Introduce Yourself" section tell us about your self!
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A customer of mine asked me to do some work on his P-32. After doing the necessary research, I discovered that Kel-Tecs can tend to be finicky. The P-32 can, sometimes, be plagued with a condition known as "rim lock" (a magazine problem in which hollow points will not feed and ball feeds). I further discovered that there is an ernest band of Kel-Tec'ers who have all learned to do their own work (as opposed to sending it back to the KT factory). Witness the fix for the rim lock situation:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.c ... tart=31#31

The 1st Generation P-32's tended to have extraction problems. Now that the 2nd Generation ones are in circulation, that seems to have been solved.

The P-32 and the P3-AT do share a common problem though: grip bulge under the area of the Disassembly Pin. The illuminati inform me that most of grip bulges are due to not placing one's left thumb on the polymer grip under the Disassembly Pin while wiggling it out and removing the pin.

My customer's weapon had both grip bulge and ejection problems; I managed to solve both problems for him with free parts sent from the factory and the judicious use of a hair dryer on the grip unit once the internal frame had been removed.
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