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Re: Concealed Carry Full Size Pistol

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OK, I'll comment on the pictures you've got posted, hopefully with some useful feedback...
mr.72 wrote: OK, now I have a couple of pairs of jeans like this (which I wear 90% of the time without a belt):

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The fit me just about like they fit the guy in the pic. When I do wear a belt it's because I have to clip wireless equipment to it, which means I am going to be on stage in front of a few thousand people lifting the tail of my shirt messing with my wireless gear before the downbeat. I won't be carrying at that time.
For this setup, you're pretty limited in options. It will certainly require a smaller gun, and from the looks of it, you're limited to either pocket carry or ankle carry (as it appears you have a bit of room down there). Something small like a Ruger LCP would be ideal for this kind of dress style, and would fit in with your clothing choices.
mr.72 wrote: In the summer I also tend to wear cargo shorts not unlike these:

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Again, those I wear with a belt but it's a cotton/canvas belt and it's not really very tight. Just tight enough to keep the shorts from falling smooth off.

In either case I don't wear shirts tucked in. 90% of the time I wear a t-shirt untucked. I don't mind wearing a wicking tank top under the t-shirt (tucked in).

I don't look like a Bowflex pitch man but I am a cyclist with a moderately athletic build.

I have found that I can conceal my Sigma with the Smartcarry and the cargo shorts no problem. Those are rather baggy. I think a belly band would likely work better since I could wear it up a little higher easier. I have found that I can't use the Smartcarry with my normal jeans... there's just not enough vertical space (it ends up mexican carry... butt of the gun over the belt line). If I want to carry with jeans, I have to pick some of my jeans that don't fit so well (baggy, higher-waisted) and then I have to wear a belt to keep them from falling off. Of course my wife hassles me about my choice of clothes when I do this.
The cargo shorts open up your possibilities quite a bit, and a somewhat larger pistol is do-able with these, as you have noted with the Smartcarry. You can also carry something somewhat bigger in the cargo pockets as well, though I would recommend using some sort of holster inside and stitching in a horizontal piece of cloth for the clip to hold onto (kind of like a horizontal belt loop) so it doesn't move around. I've read of people doing this in the past on this forum, and they seemed to have reasonably good experience with it.
mr.72 wrote: So right now I guess I am seriously considering buying a much smaller gun (see my sig). I'd rather find a way to carry the Sigma.
I'd say a smaller gun is good to have, if only for the carry options it gives you. Honestly, I don't see the Sigma working with the tight clothing you show above (the jeans picture), since everything is pretty form-fitting. For the times you wear the cargo shorts or something similarly looser-fitting, you could carry either a larger or smaller gun or both of them.

I would recommend looking into the options for a smaller carry gun that fit within your budget. The Ruger LCP is a good choice at under $300 (when they are available... they seem to be getting a little easier to find than a month or so ago), and I have been very happy with the reliability of mine. There are also other choices, such as the NAA Backup .380, which is even smaller than the LCP, but somewhat more expensive. I tried one out at our last Austin get-together, and was impressed with the accuracy of the thing, and considered getting one of my own for quite a while. I believe McBride's had one in stock last time I dropped in there. If you're down that way, you might call beforehand to see if they have one and stop in to see how you like it.
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Re: Concealed Carry Full Size Pistol

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Ruger LCP in back pocket holser like shown prints like a wallet and very confortable. I don't care how you dress or what you wear, if it has a back pocket, this is very likely to work!
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thejtrain wrote: I know for myself, I focused more on your description (though mentioning you're a cyclist probably would have gone further than weights & measures ;-) - "athletic" doesn't really mean much given the wide variety of athletes out there, from cycling to running to basketball to football to rugby - an earlier "cyclist" mention would also have given us a better idea of what frame of reference you were using when you mentioned "overweight") and kind of overlooked the bolded section where you basically stated you wouldn't want to wear a belt. If I had focused on that portion instead I probably would have addressed that specifically, and only then added my suggestions on "what worked for me".
Well, the example pictures he provided helped me more than anything. "Cyclist", I suppose, has its stereotypical body type, but there is a good myriad of body types for people who ride as well. Believe it or not, I was both a swimmer (swimming 9 practices a week, 2-3 hrs. per practice) and cyclist (riding about 200mi./week) for quite a while, and at the height of my fitness, still weighed around 190 (at 6' tall) with broad shoulders and a large frame. I'm about to get into cycling again, so perhaps I'll be more useful for these kinds of questions after I drop a good 50 lbs or so. :lol:
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Re: Concealed Carry Full Size Pistol

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mr.72 wrote:
So far the only limits I see are the ones you are placing on yourself.
You mean, the only limits are the CLOTHES IN MY CLOSET

[rant]
You know this is the single most irritating thing about many gun-carrying folks. It's the overt opinion that once you decide to carry concealed, then every other part of your life needs to be re-oriented around it, otherwise you are being unreasonable. C'mon people, I know some of you are really interested in helping but I asked specifically for information about making something with within my totally normal and reasonable situation.
Suppose someone asks for advice on losing weight. Many people would suggest consuming fewer calories, getting more exercise, or both.

Suppose they reply they're not willing to change their diet and they're very busy and don't have time to exercise. Then they complain that people have this overt opinion that once you decide to get in shape, then every other part of your life needs to be re-oriented around it, otherwise you are being unreasonable.

At that point people could spend more time trying to explain how to fit exercise into a busy schedule, and how to make small dietary changes that have a large impact, but I don't think they would be addressing the real issue.

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+1 on the clipdraw, that may be a good option.

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Re: Concealed Carry Full Size Pistol

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Ok I got it, I pulled out one of my holsters, It was a cheap Academy holster for like 10 bucks i bought a few years back. I tried it with no belt just using the clip, It works perfect!
Sigma is about the size of the g19 which is the bottom right gun. I put the gun on the 5 oclock position IWB using the clip to my jeans, Levis 551 i think, and everything was perfect. Walked around a bit, did some stretching and the likes and all is well. Very comfortable, I might even start using this when my shirts are untucked.
this holster also has a spare mag pouch. Now i would recommend adjusting the ammo capacity in your gun/mag compartment till you get the right wieght for pants you wear.
The g19 sites low enough into the holster so only a few inchs stick out over the top of the pants,, which looking the mirror, i could not see any printing. Also the Clip is wide, so you get better support with no belt.
Worst case your out 10 bucks... and trip to academy.

Bersa is beside the glock with alot smaller holster.
G27 is top left with Comp-tac IWB tuckable
and that other flimsy looking thing is IWB lightweight for small autos.


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cbr600 wrote:
mr.72 wrote:
So far the only limits I see are the ones you are placing on yourself.
You mean, the only limits are the CLOTHES IN MY CLOSET

[rant]
You know this is the single most irritating thing about many gun-carrying folks. It's the overt opinion that once you decide to carry concealed, then every other part of your life needs to be re-oriented around it, otherwise you are being unreasonable. C'mon people, I know some of you are really interested in helping but I asked specifically for information about making something with within my totally normal and reasonable situation.
Suppose someone asks for advice on losing weight. Many people would suggest consuming fewer calories, getting more exercise, or both.

Suppose they reply they're not willing to change their diet and they're very busy and don't have time to exercise. Then they complain that people have this overt opinion that once you decide to get in shape, then every other part of your life needs to be re-oriented around it, otherwise you are being unreasonable.

At that point people could spend more time trying to explain how to fit exercise into a busy schedule, and how to make small dietary changes that have a large impact, but I don't think they would be addressing the real issue.
+1 What a perfect analogy! :thumbs2:
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Sorry M9FAN, it's only a perfect analogy if there is NO OTHER WAY than to adjust my clothing.

and clearly, there is another way.
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mr.72 wrote:
I have been very consistent in pointing out that I don't often wear a belt, and when I do wear a belt, it is not one sufficient for a gun belt. When pressed about changing my wardrobe to include a gun belt, I thought I was pretty clear, I am not going to do that.
Next time, I'll just post right up. Hear ye! Hear ye! No matter how many times you recommend it, I am not going to wear a gun belt!
"Don't often wear a belt" didn't translate to "I am not going to do that" to a lot of posters in this thread until you finally said as much.

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I am having enough of a hard time finding ANY holster that doesn't require a belt. Then on top of that, it's not like I can just walk into Sportsman's Warehouse, unpackage their holsters, whip out my Sigma and start trying stuff on.
So I concede. I have tried my Smartcarry. I have evaluated (using pictures, descriptions, and holding them in my hand inside a package) a number of those which are available but I have not tried any of them with my own gun and my own clothing.
I was trying to clarify that you had tried only the Smartcarry thus far. In a previous post you said "...Of course I have not tried every IWB holster on the planet " led me to believe you had actually tried at least a few with your own clothing.



My suggestion about a small fixed blade knife for IWB carry is a valid option. You can keep your current current pants, it will be more comfortable because of the thin blade profile, you don't need to wear a belt, you can wear your current (M) shirts because of the smaller handle, it gives you a lethal force option, you can access it easier than the Smartcarry and no unsightly bulges around your waist.
mr.72 wrote:The suggestion that I should carry a knife instead is another good example..
I meant in addition too, not instead of.

mr.72 wrote: However I can tell you that as an adult who only in the past six months has been serious about owning or carrying a gun, the impact of the way this changes my lifestyle is just way too much.
Being a new gun owner, maybe you didn't appreciate that owning and carrying a gun are two different commitment levels.
mr.72 wrote: The whole idea that CCW is sort of like a clique you have to join along with learning new language, changing your clothing, changing your ideas about other unrelated things etc.
When you first got into cycling, you probably had to learn some new words, you probably got okay with wearing a helmet, you might have been a little self concious about the bike shorts, you might have changed something you thought was unrelated before you gained some experience.

mr.72 wrote: The vibe I get in general (and not just this forum, but others and other face to face contact with gun people) is that is truly "us" and "them"... and frankly I like "them" better..
What vibe are you on about and what forums? You didn't start this thread, but there are about 4 pages worth of suggestions of people trying to help you.
How did those people figure out all those opinions? They made a commitment to find out what works. They tried different guns, holster, and pants combinations that they saved up for and in some cases waited months on them (ie...holsters) to be made. Then they made adjustments where needed.
mr.72 wrote: ...... I don't want to actually have to be any different just in order to be prepared.
Do you think this is reasonable?

mr.72 wrote: You suggest I some people don't think it's "worth the bother". You know, it's a much bigger bother to those people.
I am not tracking, bigger bother to whom? :???:
mr.72 wrote: It's a huge bother to me to find a way to carry a useful weapon without advertising to thousands of people that something is different.
Trying to help with the knife suggestion, maybe add pepperspray, and maybe a pocket carry handgun.

mr.72 wrote: This is not just small deal. I have two very important, apparently incompatible needs. It doesn't help when, rather than give useful advice, knowledgeable persons dismiss these people as lacking commitment to the safety of themselves or their family simply because they have other things in their life that have to work together and not just CCW.
It looks like there are still knowledgeable people here posting that haven't dismissed your request for help. They might question your commitment to your safety because you haven't posted much about what you have done to increase your safety profile.
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Good post fm2.
That is the reason so many have bowed out. :tiphat:
My .02 cents & some think it worth about half that.
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I think it's clear that I don't belong in this forum. Thanks to those of you who have offered useful advice. The answer to the question about whether I can carry my Sigma with my clothing requirements is now obviously "no". How hard is that? Instead so many said "of course you can, once you change your clothing".

If anyone wants to discuss this further, PM me.
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I know I said I was done but we all know how I am.
mr.72 wrote:I think it's clear that I don't belong in this forum.
No one said you had to leave.

I ran accross this last night and thought of you. It's kinda like a smart carry but it looks like it might disribute the weight a little better. It looks pretty tight and you might be able to wear it under the shirts you have now. Just another idea.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=392511

longtooth wrote:Good post fm2.
That is the reason so many have bowed out. :tiphat:
My .02 cents & some think it worth about half that.
:iagree: And then there are some who thinks its twice that. :thumbs2:
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Thank you sir,
You my Wife & Mom make 3. "rlol"
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mr.72 wrote: The answer to the question about whether I can carry my Sigma with my clothing requirements is now obviously "no".
Not sure how you came to this conclusion. The answer to your question is "YES".
I believe me and several others have suggested several ways to do so. I've even posted pics and prices. :headscratch

:txflag: good luck to you sir.
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You're right Disturbed... I plan to try your suggestion pronto. Are you using that "Academy" holster IWB? I was going to pick up one of those anyway since it seems to be just a handy holster to clip to just about anything (like the map pocket in the car, inside my range bag, etc.).
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