Who's running a dot on their pistol?

[Charles L. Cotton]

Cajun Gun Works called me on Monday to let me know my CZ Compact PCR slide will be milled for the Holosun 507k this week. However, CGW has not received their order of sights. Apparently, the 407k/507k are very popular; OpticsPlanet.com is also on backorder.

Chas.

[John Galt]

My wife has 2 red dots on her competition pistols. One is the Springfield XDM OSP in 9mm and the other is a Browning Camper 22LR. Both of her red dots are Vortex. She loves them and her times have gone down considerably. When we purchased the Springfield . All I remember her saying, is I want the same Vortex, because I am use to the one I have.

That's the way I feel, when you find one that you like stay with it, so no matter which gun you are shooting, the optic is familiar.

[Scott]

If your eligible Govx.com has the Holosun 507k v1 in stock right now for $270.


https://www.govx.com/p/114916/hs507k-op ... ical-sight

Scott

[MadMonkey]

I have RMRs on a 19 and 19X and have had one on an FBX-45T as well. Definitely worth it for me

[carlson1]

Against my better judgement I bought a Glock 48 and a Trijicon RMRcc. Maple Leaf Firearms said they would mill the slide while I wait so after Thanksgiving I will have that done. On days that I just don’t feel like carrying my Shadow Systems Warpoet I will go with the Glock 48. I bought some of the Shield magazines that hold 15 rounds. So fifteen rounds in a thinner size pistol will be nice from time to time. The Shadow Systems is just so much lighter than a Glock 19 it isn’t as hard to carry.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I finally got my CZ 75 D Compact PCR back from Cajun Gun Works Saturday. I had the slide milled for the new small Holosun 507K RDS. Based upon measurements, I thought it would not only fit well, but it would look good on the pistol. I couldn't be more pleased. It fits perfectly, it looks great and what little shooting I've done went well.

I sighted it in at 25 yds, based both on recommendations by my retired HPD SWAT buddy and my personal experience. I used only the 2 MOA dot for this purpose, but I plan to hit the range today and try the circle and circle/dot as well. The circle is 32 MOA and looks much like a fighter plane "sight." Battery life (CR1632) is stated to be 50,000 with the dot only, but I didn't see an estimate with the circle or circle/dot. I'm sure it will be GREATLY reduced. I have no idea if I will like the circle or circle/dot, but I do miss the triangle of my Leupold DeltaPoint Pro (DPP) sights. For me, that's the absolute best set up for any RDS, but, sadly, Leupold dropped the triangle and now offers only dots.

I was concerned the small "window" on the 507K would be a distraction since my DPPs have a very large window. Thankfully, it was not a problem at all. The key to using any RDS is presenting the pistol the same way every time and I've been doing that for many decades. When you do that, the dot is there regardless of the size of the window. The size of the window doesn't really matter when shooting with both eyes open, but if you were to close one eye, then window size would definitely be a factor.

The rear notch on the 507K serves as a rear sight that can be used with a standard height front sight for backup. The notch is very wide, but it will still work on a pinch. I need to do some shooting with it as well.

The sight looks rugged with its thick aluminum body. I would never have considered any RDS other than a DPP (I don't like RMRs - just a personal preference), except for a video I saw testing the Holosun 507K. He beat the snot out of the sight and it did fine. That surprised Aaron and me. FYI, Aaron of Sage Dynamics has done extensive testing of many RDS and his results are very educational. (See the link below to his testing methodology and results. Results start on page 16.) Here's the video for the 507K:

I can't over-stress the great work done by Cajun Gun Works in Monroe Louisiana. They are CZ experts, they do great work and they are all around nice people. As I noted in my first post on this topic, they charged $160 for the mill work and they sold me the 507K for $1 more than OpticsPlanet. They not only mounted it, they bore sighted it as well. I paid $160 to have them mill the slide of my CZ P-10C at least three years ago. They are swamped with work, yet they don't price gouge their customers even when demand is high. Thanks CGW, Dave and Daniel!

Here are some photos:



This image shows the milling on the slide and how well the 507K fits the tapered slide of a CZ.


Black on black doesn't allow you to see any detail, but this photo shows that the 507K doesn't stick out on each side of the slide. This would have been a deal-breaker for me.

[mrvmax]

Well, I was hoping the election results would be different and the firearms frenzy would die down so I can get a CZ since it’s one brand I’ve never owned (plus I always hear good things about it). So much for that for the time being. Nice setup Charles and thanks for sharing.

[carlson1]

If I was a betting man I would bet five years from now every handgun will come with some kind RDS.

[txhighlander]

I looked into red dot at one time, thought for the money range time with iron sights a better investment. I have a friend that carries a Glock 19 with a Holosun everyday. He finally got me to try it a few weeks ago. The target was one of the 5 bullseyes on 1 target. I picked the upper right and slow fired 15 missed shots, they raved about my tight group that was in the center of the target. At 7 yards if it was a defence shooting I would be dead relying on a red dot. No way no how on a carry pistol. My friend is former pd and shoots on a regular basis. Red dots are to me like adaptive cruise, adaptive braking and lane departure systems on newer cars. It is fun while it works but it is destined to fail at the most inconvenient of times.

[mrvmax]

I looked into red dot at one time, thought for the money range time with iron sights a better investment. I have a friend that carries a Glock 19 with a Holosun everyday. He finally got me to try it a few weeks ago. The target was one of the 5 bullseyes on 1 target. I picked the upper right and slow fired 15 missed shots, they raved about my tight group that was in the center of the target. At 7 yards if it was a defence shooting I would be dead relying on a red dot. No way no how on a carry pistol. My friend is former pd and shoots on a regular basis. Red dots are to me like adaptive cruise, adaptive braking and lane departure systems on newer cars. It is fun while it works but it is destined to fail at the most inconvenient of times.

You can be just as far off target with iron sights, both need to be adjusted properly to be accurate. They also have iron sights that co-witness with the RDS, if the RDS fails you can still aim. I don’t think an RDS is any more apt to fail than any other part on a pistol. I’ve had iron sights break and even fall off, nothing is 100% reliable. It really just boils down to getting used to them.

[bagman45]

Howdy all, thought I'd do a quick update. Snagged a great Black Friday deal on a Swamp Fox Sentinel Auto dot, so pulled the trigger. Haven't had time to mount it on the Hellcat yet, but hopefully will able to do so in the next couple of weeks and get to the range. Will let ya'll know how it goes.

[dawgfishboy]

I have no idea if I will like the circle or circle/dot, but I do miss the triangle of my Leupold DeltaPoint Pro (DPP) sights. For me, that's the absolute best set up for any RDS, but, sadly, Leupold dropped the triangle and now offers only dots.

I know it's not exactly a triangle but Primary Arms should have a chevron soon (possibly late December)...

Holosun HS507C-X2 Pistol Red Dot Sight - ACSS® Vulcan™ Reticle

[bagman45]

Pretty cool stuff. Looking forward to the continuing improvement in optics, since we old guys need all the help we can get...LOL. I remember reading an article in a gun magazine; back when that was a thing, like, fifteen years ago about dots on handguns being the future. Kinda scoffed at it, since they were insanely expensive and rare. That, and my eyesight was way better back then. I'm all in on these things now; just need to figure out which of the herd needs to be thinned to move into the future.....

[KC5AV]

I have no idea if I will like the circle or circle/dot, but I do miss the triangle of my Leupold DeltaPoint Pro (DPP) sights. For me, that's the absolute best set up for any RDS, but, sadly, Leupold dropped the triangle and now offers only dots.

I know it's not exactly a triangle but Primary Arms should have a chevron soon (possibly late December)...

This is what I’m kinda waiting on. I’d love it if they made one with green instead of red.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Update on my Holosun 507K milled into my CZ 75D PCR:

I finally got to the range a few days ago to test my 507K with the circle/dot reticle. I had previously sighted it in using only the 2 MOA dot. The circle is 32 MOA which is 16" at 50 yds, 8" at 25 yds and 4" at 12.5 yds. My theory was that I should be able to put the circle on the upper chest of an IDPA target at any distance out to at least 25 yds and all rounds would land inside the 8" 0-down ring on the target. My theory was correct, but that's only part of the story. The sight is fast, amazingly fast! Our monthly IDPA match Saturday, Nov. 28th was rained out, so I didn't get a chance to test the reticle further under match conditions. I suspect my times and points-down will be significantly lower.

I must confess that I thought the circle or circle/dot reticles would be pretty much useless on a handgun. I'm happy to be wrong. For people unfamiliar with IDPA targets, the 0-down ring on the target is in the upper chest in an area that contains the vitals that would most likely end a deadly threat. (Click on the target to see a larger version.) Being able to rapidly put rounds in the 0-down ring at virtually any reasonable pistol distance is not only a major benefit in a match, it might mean the difference between going home or going to the morgue if you face a deadly assault.

I plan to test this theory at 50 yds where the circle will be 16". That's still 2" less than the industry standard of 18" shoulder-to-shoulder for an average man. The vertical mark at 12 o'clock should make lateral alignment easier as you can simply align it under the head. It obviously won't work at 100 yds. but a pistol fight at that distance is highly unlikely.

Chas.