Glock 44 - .22 LR pistol

[K-Texas]

I'm not a huge Glock fan, but I've owned a few. I am, however, impressed with the simplicity of this Model 44's design. One question remains concerning the energy of different .22 LR loads, and if any change in spring weight will be required for rounds like the Stingers, etc? If Glock has them all covered with the unit supplied, that's certainly a +.

It is unlikely that the springs are able handle Hyper-velocity and Standard as the OAL of a .22LR is nominally 0.985" and the 9mm is 0.984; therefore, the slide has to travel the same distance, and without a longer slide allowing the primary spring to bear the load of Standard velocity ammo, with extra travel length for the secondary spring to adequately buffer Hyper-velocity. Alternatively, they could shorten the secondary spring and barrel, and increase the weight of the secondary spring for higher pressure rounds, dicey at best. The fact that they have a sub-caliber mechanism that mirrors the full-size weapon is remarkable enough, assuming that it works (as does Advantage Arms, TacSol) with standard loads.

Another attraction is that it appears you're getting a standard G19 frame for ~$100 less than a G19, so it may be a more economical multi-caliber base for some folks.

Okay, I'll trust that you've checked the SAAMI spec for .22LR "nominal" length. You might want to check your numbers for 9 x 19mm. SAAMI Max OACL is still 1.169" while Max case-length is .754". I can't honestly say that I've checked to see if CCI still makes the Stinger, but I did notice that Aguila is making a load very similar. As far as cartridge geometry, I don't see that as an issue. And with the dual recoil spring set-up of the G44, seems to me that getting reliable function with a hyper .22 LR round would be as simple as adding spring weight, if one is required. Maybe I'm missing something here?

Both cartridges running right around 1" OAL. Regarding the question as to whether any spring weight change would be necessary for different loads, the answer is (most likely) yes. I listed reasons as to why that will (most likely) be the case.

Rob, 1" OACL is pretty short for a 9 x 19mm load. I load 124 & 147 gr. JHPs mostly, and my OACLs run 1.122"/28.5mm - 1.142"/29mm. The shortest length I recommend for someone using a 124 gr. JHP when no data exists for a particular bullet, or has to be loaded short because the barrel has a short chamber, is to start with SIERRA data for their 125 gr, JHP, or as loaded in the Lyman P & R III and their 49th edition manuals. They both use a short OACL of 1.075". That's a place to start because I consider either to be a worst-case-scenario because that particular bullet has a shank about as long as you'll find for a 124/125 gr. JHP. The bullets shank being the bearing surface engaging the rifling determines the amount of friction in the bore. Pressure for such loads can be reduced by using a longer OACL. But any bullet loaded for any pistol, should have it's own OACL determined for the particular pistol it will be fired from. Or, when loading for multiple pistols while you only want to use one single OACL, it will have to be loaded according to the pistol/barrel with the shortest chamber.

I don't deal in maybe or likely. With the 9 x 19mm having a SAAMI Max OACL of 1.169", and mostly for long FMJ bullets with slender profiles while the Max for case length is .754" while Lyman recommends .751" as their "Trim-to-length," Loads can range from just longer than case length up to Max OACL. Depending, of course, on the weight and shape of the bullet and whether or not it reliably functions.

You say "nominal" OACL for .22 LR is .985", so I have to ask where exactly did that length come from, specifically? Hopefully that isn't based solely on loads you have on hand. SAAMI OACLs range from minimum to maximum. Not nominally. But in any event, .985" is easily within the geometry window of the G19 in 9mm. And as I said before, for .22LR OACL, it is a non-issue so long as loads feed and eject reliably. That was Glock's job for the G44.

One of the merits of the dual recoil spring assembly is the broad range of loads they can handle. In this case, lighter loads would be the greater test since the slide must fully cycle against the weight of the springs. But we can't reliably state absolutes for the minimum or maximum velocity/weight range of the loads. Obviously, Glock has the numbers they feel most comfortable with, and a person could ask for that range, if so inclined. Otherwise, and without solid data for min to max loads, it's gonna be trial and error while the median for loads is gonna be standard .22 LR rounds. Anything else is speculation until proven.

But getting back to 9 x 19mm, the info I posted is found in any decent handloading manual. Hopefully, you will consult one in regard to 9 x 19mm.

Editing to add .22 LR Specs. You will find them here, and it's for .22 LR Match Ammo: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/201 ... -diagrams/ The SAAMI site isn't working at the moment, but this is simply a reposting from SAAMI.

As you can see, the Spec calls for 1.000 - .050". That would put minimum spec at .950".

[ELB]

TFB went to Austria for the announcement. Second half of video he talks about design.



Some notes from vid:

- Design goal was to make a .22 with Glock reliability -- shooting any .22 ammo
-- They purchased copies of .22 from competitors and then set goal that G44 should be twice as reliable as any of them
-- 10 round magazine choice is function of reliability
-- Intended to be trainer for G19
- Normal design cycle is one year, took three years to design the G44
- Expended 1.2 million rounds of .22 in testing, in temps -40C to +50C and 90% humidity
- Fired 123 types of ammo
- One G44 fired suppressed and unsuppressed without cleaning for 12,000 rounds. Another is up to 40,000 rds, "still reliable."
- Designed to shoot with suppressor...but gun not available with threaded barrels in USA. Suppressor market not as big in US as Europe (thanks NFA).
- US customers can buy threaded barrel from Glock as additional barrel.
-- US versions of G44 will be made in US, wanted to keep price down, so no threaded barrel as part sale package
-- I'm not suppressor savvy, but appears barrel is threaded for European cans, need adaptor for US?
- Same number of parts as G-19, takedown is the same.
- Designed to be dry-fired

[K-Texas]

The threaded barrel thing should take care of itself. It won't take long before others are making threaded barrels for them.

[extremist]

Handled one yesterday at TGE when local LE rep came in to shoot his sample. Thoughts:

- Lightweight!
- 10 mag cap - boo
- heavy trigger, but standard so can be upgraded
- G19G5 size so compatible with all holsters
- Striker fired - I was told this led to long design time, most .22s hammer fired
- as stated above, threaded barrel accessory only

Why my TX 22 is better, may have to get a backup with $50 rebate offer

- 16 rounds
- better trigger
- fits G19 holster - Bladetech, YMMV
- threaded barrel in the box with 1/2x28 adapter
- Striker fired also!
- reliable with every 22 I've tried
- $100 cheaper

[extremist]

Dup

[extremist]

Dup

[Grayling813]

I think I have the Glock figured out finally.....

The Glock 44 is in 22. The Glock 22 is in 40. The Glock 40 is in 10 like the 20. There is no Glock 10, but there is a Glock in 9 aka the 17 and 19 and 26 and 43, not including the 48 – which came out before the 44 – and the 43X, which are the same except for the ways in which they’re different. Actually they’re like the 45, which is a 9, which is the same as a 19x which is actually more like the 17 than the 19. Strangely enough the 45 came before the 44, but 45 came before 9, but not 44, so maybe that’s the logic. If you wanted a 45, you need a 36, a 41, a 30, a 21, or a 21SF, or a 30S, or a 30SF. Of course if you want Glock’s 45 you need a 37, 38 or 39. The 38 isn’t a 38, there are other 38’s. If you want a Glock, definitely get the 19 and maybe a 22 to practice with – not the 40 22, but the 44 22. The 22 won’t help you to practice with your 9 as much as a 23, which is closer to the 19. Unless your goal is competition, in which case you should have been considering a 35 or 17L or 24 or 41 or 34 which are 40 9 40 45 9 respectively. The 31 32 and 33 are actually 357’s but not the 38 357’s. They’re 357’s that are more like 9s but not like the 380 is like 9’s. If you wanted that you need a 42. And nobody likes a 42, you’re better off with a 9. And therefore try a 44 because everyone loves to work on their 9 with a 22.

[thatguyoverthere]

While I'm not a Glock guy, I also have nothing against them. This one looks like a fine little pistol from what I can tell.

But, if you're in the market for something like this, and it doesn't have to be a Glock, you might consider the Taurus TX22.

I bought one (the TX22) a couple of weeks ago while Academy had them on sale for $239. Finally had a chance to shoot it yesterday. Put about 200 rounds through it, straight out of the box. No malfunctions of any kind (although I did shoot only one type of ammo - 40 grain CCI 1200 fps). Sights were almost exactly on for me. Shoots about 3/4 inch low for me @ 15 yards. But sights are adjustable, so that's no issue.

The TX22 has an ambi thumb safety, which I personally like, since my daily carry is a small 1911. If you DON'T like a safety, that wouldn't be a problem since it is very unobtrusive - just set it and forget it. I hear the trigger is good, but I can't really speak to that, since I have limited experience with striker fired guns.

I like the 16 round magazines, just because of not having to reload as often. The magazines are plastic, but I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing; only time will tell on that. But again, no malfunctions from that (or anything else). They are double stack magazines, which I guess is a little unusual with the rimmed cartridges. The bullet noses are all lined up in the mag, but the butt end of each cartridge is staggered when stacked up due to the cartridge rim. Looks kinda funny, but seems to work just fine. They include a little thumb magazine loading aid that works great for loading up the magazines.

I've noticed in some of the other posts that folks are talking about a threaded barrel. This one does come with a threaded barrel already, if that matters to you (I'm not a suppressor guy, either).

I think this will be a fun little plinker for me. But I mainly got it to use as a trainer for my grandkids, and for any other friends or family that want to shoot but haven't had much experience with handguns. And I figured I couldn't go wrong considering the price I got. Plus, this one is made in the USA, and has a lifetime warranty from Taurus.

Sorry Andy, not trying to hijack your thread, just figured this would make for a good comparison.

[K-Texas]

K-Texas, I am unsure why you have been seeking points of contention, in discourse. At this stage, the discussion is purely hypothetical, based on images and description of the G44, there is little or nothing to be definitive or certain of, with regard to its function.

I hope you have a pleasant Christmas.

They were not intended to be points of contention. But when someone is making statements of facts, their info should, at least, be factual. Neither 1" OACL for the 9 x 19mm, nor .985" for the .22LR are factual as can be found by SAAMI for the .22LR, and any handloading manual for the 9 x 19mm, or SAAMI. They may, however, be coincidental, but that's hardly the same thing.

How the G44 is chambered to work on the same size platform as the G19 is not hypothetical.

Best to you and yours as well for a Merry Christmas!