Show us your bolt guns

[The Annoyed Man]

and a .25 caliber bullet is 6.5mm, so........

Not exactly. It would be between a 6mm and 6.5mm. 6.5 equals .264 caliber.
Keith

Close enough for varmints, bad guys, white tails, and hogs.

[Beiruty]

and a .25 caliber bullet is 6.5mm, so........

Not exactly. It would be between a 6mm and 6.5mm. 6.5 equals .264 caliber.
Keith

Close enough for varmints, bad guys, white tails, and hogs.

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Hilarity Clinton: "What difference does it make?"

On the good news, I read an article today, even if Hilarity won enough delegates to win the nomination, it would not matter. Indictment is coming down the pipe.

[FastCarry]

Question for you bolt gun guys.

Ive never really considered buying a bolt gun except to pretend I was a sniper in a movie, but seems they are popular to add to the collection. I dont hunt, reload, or strive for long range accuracy. but long guns sure are fancy.

Im not a fan of guns that require two hands to fire, I own one rifle, no shotguns, the rest are pistols. What would be a good reason for a guy like me to justify adding a bolt gun to the collection? Ive always wanted a 17hmr for plinking but would like a bolt action .223 so i dont have to store another caliber in the ammo cases.

[Bitter Clinger]

Just came across this seminar today, anyone familiar with these folks?

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[Beiruty]

Best of the best. If I have the time and money I will attend. It is great deal just for the books. I may attend anyway as Late birthday gift for me, but I will have to take 1-week off from work, Monday 30th is off too. Now we $100 discount it is even a better excuse to take a week off from work.

Bryan Litz is a renown Ballistician.

[Beiruty]

Question for you bolt gun guys.

Ive never really considered buying a bolt gun except to pretend I was a sniper in a movie, but seems they are popular to add to the collection. I dont hunt, reload, or strive for long range accuracy. but long guns sure are fancy.

Im not a fan of guns that require two hands to fire, I own one rifle, no shotguns, the rest are pistols. What would be a good reason for a guy like me to justify adding a bolt gun to the collection? Ive always wanted a 17hmr for plinking but would like a bolt action .223 so i dont have to store another caliber in the ammo cases.

Tikka T3 Varmint 223 1:8 twist rate.

This one: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =552231917

[Bitter Clinger]

Best of the best. If I have the time and money I will attend. It is great deal just for the books. I may attend anyway as Late birthday gift for me, but I will have to take 1-week off from work, Monday 30th is off too. Now we $100 discount it is even a better excuse to take a week off from work.

Bryan Litz is a renown Ballistician.

Thanks! Good info as always! Let me know what you decide, I am seriously considering as well.

[K.Mooneyham]

Question for you bolt gun guys.

Ive never really considered buying a bolt gun except to pretend I was a sniper in a movie, but seems they are popular to add to the collection. I dont hunt, reload, or strive for long range accuracy. but long guns sure are fancy.

Im not a fan of guns that require two hands to fire, I own one rifle, no shotguns, the rest are pistols. What would be a good reason for a guy like me to justify adding a bolt gun to the collection? Ive always wanted a 17hmr for plinking but would like a bolt action .223 so i dont have to store another caliber in the ammo cases.

Mossberg MVP Series in 5.56mm. Uses AR magazines, and with the 5.56mm chambering, you can safely shoot military-type ammo such as XM855 and XM193, the civilian versions of military 62 grain "green tip" and the older 55 grain ammo, as well as .223 caliber. I have the "Patrol" model, 16 inch barrel with flash hider (for the "cool factor", I guess), short and handy. Metal mags wobbled slightly, but I haven't had any feed issues because of it. Great bolt-action companion for an AR, or just to have one.

[The Annoyed Man]

Question for you bolt gun guys.

Ive never really considered buying a bolt gun except to pretend I was a sniper in a movie, but seems they are popular to add to the collection. I dont hunt, reload, or strive for long range accuracy. but long guns sure are fancy.

Im not a fan of guns that require two hands to fire, I own one rifle, no shotguns, the rest are pistols. What would be a good reason for a guy like me to justify adding a bolt gun to the collection? Ive always wanted a 17hmr for plinking but would like a bolt action .223 so i dont have to store another caliber in the ammo cases.

There are a lot of reasons to consider a good bolt action rifle for your collection. Any or all of the list below applies. Pick and choose as if from a menu, in no particular order of importance........

1. Sheer, Unadulterated Power. Even a light rifle caliber like .223 Remington/5.56 NATO hits MUCH harder than a magnum pistol round.
2. Range. A bottleneck rifle cartridge will generally carry further, with more energy and velocity, than a magnum pistol round.
3. Accuracy. Even an iron-sighted rifle will shoot more accurately than a pistol, by virtue of having a longer sight radius.
4. Esthetics. Just as some pistols like the 1911 or Browning Hipower elicit lust and have classic lines, a good bolt gun can have the same appeal. For instance, consider the 1911 or a classic .357 magnum pistol with wood stocks, rifles can have absolutely beautiful wood, which is beautiful in its own right.
5. Practicality. A bolt action rifle is a fairly simple mechanism. There's not a lot to go wrong. Like a revolver, they go boom every time.
6. Price. A pretty good bolt action rifle can cost about the same as a pretty good AR15 - say in the $800-$1200 range. BUT..... you can still get a good serviceable bolt rifle for way less than that, and certainly less than an AR15.
7. Skill Improvement. Because you have to manually cycle the action with a bolt gun, you naturally slow down in your process, spend more time on proper sighting and trigger use, and taking the time to do it right. Your shooting will improve as a result.
8. Economy. Because your shooting will slow down compared to a semi auto rifle, your rounds burned per hour will go down. Also, you will be drawn to reloading, not just as an economic move, but in order to extract maximum performance from the rifle.
9. Knowledge. You will learn more about internal, external, and terminal ballistics shooting a bolt gun than you will shooting a gun like an AR.
10. Survival. In a zombie apocalypse, an AR is a superior weapon. But in a REAL survival situation - i.e. social collapse and you have to go into the field to get meat instead of the supermarket, you'll appreciate the increased range and power of a .308 bolt gun over a 5.56 AR or something similar.
11. Potential Legal Challenges. If the country keeps going the way it has been headed, the bolt action rifle will be one of the last weapons banned. Plus, different semi auto designs each have their own learning curve; but learn to shoot one bolt gun, and you have pretty much learned to shoot all of them.
12. And lastly, it's part of the Art of Manliness.

Those are the reasons I could think of right off the top of my head. I like shooting all my guns, long guns and handguns. But when I'm shooting my bolt rifles, I feel like I'm doing something special.

[FastCarry]

That mossberg MVP looks quite enticing. I like that it accepts AR mags... hmmmm wish i hadnt seen that

[Bitter Clinger]

That mossberg MVP looks quite enticing. I like that it accepts AR mags... hmmmm wish i hadnt seen that

And so it begins...

[TangoX-ray]

That mossberg MVP looks quite enticing. I like that it accepts AR mags... hmmmm wish i hadnt seen that

Great, now I need one in both 5.56 and 7.62. I'm thinking #27710 and #27775/7.

[Bitter Clinger]

Best of the best. If I have the time and money I will attend. It is great deal just for the books. I may attend anyway as Late birthday gift for me, but I will have to take 1-week off from work, Monday 30th is off too. Now we $100 discount it is even a better excuse to take a week off from work.

Bryan Litz is a renown Ballistician.

So, I found this video of Litz lecturing at the SHOT Show for Kestrel. When I combined what I learned from this video with what I learned from the barrel length test videos, I re-ran the free ballistics calculator on the Hornady site and confirmed that the 20" bbl Remington, running 168 Gr Hornady BTHP Match, will present with a round that enters the transonic region in the 800+ yard range. So while everyone's conventional wisdom seems to be that .308 is a ~1000 yard round, this explains why I was seeing non-repeatable results once I tried to reach out past around 800.

Its the physics!