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This is in regards to a USPS center, or station in a retail store. Not talking about Kinkos, mail stores, shipping places etc.
Example (1) Local gift shop/cafe etc also has a USPS outlet in the store with mailboxes. So, that is a U.S. Post office, correct?
So, can a CHL shop/eat in the store with the USPS in the same building? Can a customer park outside with gun in car?
Parking lot of retail strip center also has drive up blue mailboxes. Example (2) office lease space with insurance agents, financial planners, etc
also has a USPS outlet in the building. Can a CHL go in the building? Park in lot with gun in car? Parking lot also has drive up blue mailbox.

* These are real examples and get brought up all the time.

I realize that in this situation the 'property' is probably not owned by the USPS and that they are leasing it.

Just the portion of the store leased or operated by the post office is off limits from my understanding, the rest of the building is not. If a PO is in a strip center it's off limits but not the other businesses nor the parking lot. Bonidy vs USPS in July 2013 ruled the prohibition of firearms and weapons did not apply to PO parking lots. Also the law requires Federal buildings and parking lots be posted. 18 USC Sec. 930 01/03/2007 Title 18

IANAL so if I'm incorrect - Need lawyer input HERE.

I've been to Fischer Store up by Canyon Lake and there's a PO inside, but I saw no posting.
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puma guy wrote:Just the portion of the store leased or operated by the post office is off limits from my understanding, the rest of the building is not. If a PO is in a strip center it's off limits but not the other businesses nor the parking lot. Bonidy vs USPS in July 2013 ruled the prohibition of firearms and weapons did not apply to PO parking lots. Also the law requires Federal buildings and parking lots be posted. 18 USC Sec. 930 01/03/2007 Title 18

IANAL so if I'm incorrect - Need lawyer input HERE.

I've been to Fischer Store up by Canyon Lake and there's a PO inside, but I saw no posting.
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I don't know the right answer. But here is the way that I approach it until I hear something more definitive. The prohibition on firearms is Federal property. I have a local drycleaner who has a postal desk that takes up less than 15% of her floor space. There is no need for me to go behind the postal desk and the front of the desk is the direct pathway to her drycleaning desk. I think that a position could be taken that she is a sub-contractor to the USPS and that none of her building is Federal property.

Of course, there is a rule that says that my mailbox is Federal property, too, and according to that I would be unable to carry and pick up my own mail in front of my own house. I'm willing to take that risk.

chasfm11 wrote:

puma guy wrote:Just the portion of the store leased or operated by the post office is off limits from my understanding, the rest of the building is not. If a PO is in a strip center it's off limits but not the other businesses nor the parking lot. Bonidy vs USPS in July 2013 ruled the prohibition of firearms and weapons did not apply to PO parking lots. Also the law requires Federal buildings and parking lots be posted. 18 USC Sec. 930 01/03/2007 Title 18

IANAL so if I'm incorrect - Need lawyer input HERE.

I've been to Fischer Store up by Canyon Lake and there's a PO inside, but I saw no posting.
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I don't know the right answer. But here is the way that I approach it until I hear something more definitive. The prohibition on firearms is Federal property. I have a local drycleaner who has a postal desk that takes up less than 15% of her floor space. There is no need for me to go behind the postal desk and the front of the desk is the direct pathway to her drycleaning desk. I think that a position could be taken that she is a sub-contractor to the USPS and that none of her building is Federal property.

Of course, there is a rule that says that my mailbox is Federal property, too, and according to that I would be unable to carry and pick up my own mail in front of my own house. I'm willing to take that risk.

As long as you don't go inside, you should be okay.

chasfm11 wrote:I don't know the right answer. But here is the way that I approach it until I hear something more definitive. The prohibition on firearms is Federal property. I have a local drycleaner who has a postal desk that takes up less than 15% of her floor space. There is no need for me to go behind the postal desk and the front of the desk is the direct pathway to her drycleaning desk. I think that a position could be taken that she is a sub-contractor to the USPS and that none of her building is Federal property.

I don't know the "right answer" either, but I agree with your thinking. One thing I would like to point out is that it doesn't have to be owned by the government to be "Federal property", it only has to be leased. In the case of the USPS in the drycleaner, it is clearly not leased or owned by the Federal Government. IANAL, but I agree you should be okay.

My way of looking at it is that it is not a Post Office but a contractor. If that was the case I never should have been able to ship my Ruger back for repairs through the Postal Options place here. Not only do they take U.S.mail but also FedEx and UPS. Guy was former LEO and took the gun out of the box to ensure it wasn't loaded. Didn't say anything about being a gun free zone.

Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

Jumping Frog wrote:I am not worried about a $50 fine.

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

jbarn wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

I don't believe they would ever put me in jail for 30 days for something with a 50 fine. Lifetime clean record, isn't going to happen.

jbarn wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

A lot of things would have to go very wrong for me to get to that point. I'm coming up on license renewal and have been carrying daily since about 2 months after I got my plastic. I've pushed the "bulge" limits on shirts pretty far and have never heard a peep out of anyone. Most of the time, there isn't even the slightest bump. So:

1. I would have to do something stupid and let my shirt ride up to actually show something.
2. At that precise moment, the proper authority figure is going to have to be there and instantly decide to arrest me. The dry cleaning place is pretty small and I'm usually in and out in less than 2 minutes. I like it because there is hardly ever a line and I'm prepared with everything I need before I walk in the door, even if I'm going to do something like a certified letter.

Those are pretty long odds. I'll take 'em.

I don't know the answer for certain either…but when licensed firearms were allowed in National Parks, any property "with Federal employees" was still off-limits. So the Visitors Center in Zion National Park is off limits but the hotel was not. By extension, I would guess that the USPS kiosks would be off limits if there are postal workers working there and not off limits if this is just an additional service provided as in the UPS stores. I believe the UPS workers are all UPS employees.

But, as usual, probably should ask an attorney...

Jumping Frog wrote:

jbarn wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

I don't believe they would ever put me in jail for 30 days for something with a 50 fine. Lifetime clean record, isn't going to happen.

This is the feds.

chasfm11 wrote:

jbarn wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

A lot of things would have to go very wrong for me to get to that point. I'm coming up on license renewal and have been carrying daily since about 2 months after I got my plastic. I've pushed the "bulge" limits on shirts pretty far and have never heard a peep out of anyone. Most of the time, there isn't even the slightest bump. So:

1. I would have to do something stupid and let my shirt ride up to actually show something.
2. At that precise moment, the proper authority figure is going to have to be there and instantly decide to arrest me. The dry cleaning place is pretty small and I'm usually in and out in less than 2 minutes. I like it because there is hardly ever a line and I'm prepared with everything I need before I walk in the door, even if I'm going to do something like a certified letter.

Those are pretty long odds. I'll take 'em.

OK. So you intentionally break the law as long as it is not "too serious" in your mind, and your chances if getting caught are "pretty slim" in your mind. Gotcha.

jbarn wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:

jbarn wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

A lot of things would have to go very wrong for me to get to that point. I'm coming up on license renewal and have been carrying daily since about 2 months after I got my plastic. I've pushed the "bulge" limits on shirts pretty far and have never heard a peep out of anyone. Most of the time, there isn't even the slightest bump. So:

1. I would have to do something stupid and let my shirt ride up to actually show something.
2. At that precise moment, the proper authority figure is going to have to be there and instantly decide to arrest me. The dry cleaning place is pretty small and I'm usually in and out in less than 2 minutes. I like it because there is hardly ever a line and I'm prepared with everything I need before I walk in the door, even if I'm going to do something like a certified letter.

Those are pretty long odds. I'll take 'em.

OK. So you intentionally break the law as long as it is not "too serious" in your mind, and your chances if getting caught are "pretty slim" in your mind. Gotcha.

Whether or not one decides to break the law is up to them I guess, but in the case of Federal facilities (not including courthouses) if it's not properly posted as required by law and someone is aware it's off limits they have no defense. Penalty "shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both." Where is the $50 fine cited?