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Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:19 pm
by Art S
I know this is an older article and I can't remember where I received it from. But, new laws have come in to play since then and I wonder if either side has gotten any better.
http://www.examiner.com/page-one-in-hou ... atest-laws" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think it funny that this guy is telling the world you might not get the right information in a class and turns around and feeds them miss information. I wonder how many others are doing the same thing.
just for fun
, how many mistakes can you find in this article.
We are just like any other group in the world. there is a large percentage out there doing it right and a small percentage that does not care. why do we only hear about that small percentage that give us all a black eye.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:39 pm
by pbwalker
I trust about 1% of what I read on the Examiner. It's not a valid news paper / news site.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:37 pm
by bkj
Well I have no problem with the examiner. But he did get a couple things wrong.
• An amusement park (including those temporary shopping mall festivals)
• All racetracks
• Hospital or nursing home
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:49 pm
by pbwalker
bkj wrote:Well I have no problem with the examiner. But he did get a couple things wrong.
• An amusement park (including those temporary shopping mall festivals)
• All racetracks
• Hospital or nursing home
Might want to read up on the law again.
§ 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
(2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress;
(3) on the premises of any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;
(4) on the premises of a racetrack;
(5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or
(6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated premises and the person received notice that:
(A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
(B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an officer of the court.
(c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035.
(2) "Secured area" means an area of an airport terminal building to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law.
(d) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as:
(1) a member of the armed forces or national guard;
(2) a guard employed by a penal institution; or
(3) a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies if:
(A) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(B) the firearm or club is in plain view; or
(4) Deleted by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, § 17, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
(5) a security officer who holds a personal protection authorization under the Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes).
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor checked all firearms as baggage in accordance with federal or state law or regulations before entering a secured area.
(f) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor possessed a handgun and was licensed to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(g) An offense under this section is a third degree felony.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies, if:
(1) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(2) the firearm or club is in plain view.
(i) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(6) that the actor possessed a firearm or club:
(1) while in a vehicle being driven on a public road; or
(2) at the actor's residence or place of employment.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:01 pm
by sjfcontrol
For the purpose of CHL, racetracks are defined as locations that provide pari-mutuel wagering. I believe there is only one in Texas.
Not all "racetracks" are prohibited.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:19 pm
by pbwalker
sjfcontrol wrote:For the purpose of CHL, racetracks are defined as locations that provide pari-mutuel wagering. I believe there is only one in Texas.
Not all "racetracks" are prohibited.
Hmmm...you bring up a good point. I don't want to read through Vernon's 179e (too long, boring
) but I understood that the racetrack is off limits all the time. But like you mentioned, the definition states that pari-mutual takes place to meet the true definition of "racetrack".
Doing some digging, I found this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48893" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Crossfire says it's off limits, but reading the law introduces a sort of grey area. (and I saw your citation as well, linking to Pawpaw's post)
I've never seen a racetrack where betting is not taking place (Corpus and San Antonio are the only two I have been to).
I'm confused
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:33 pm
by Crossfire
If it wasn't confusing, it wouldn't be Texas law!
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:40 pm
by sjfcontrol
If it were easy -- everybody'd be doing it.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:31 pm
by bkj
pbwalker wrote:bkj wrote:Well I have no problem with the examiner. But he did get a couple things wrong.
• An amusement park (including those temporary shopping mall festivals)
• All racetracks
• Hospital or nursing home
Might want to read up on the law again.
§ 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
(2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress;
(3) on the premises of any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;
(4) on the premises of a racetrack;
(5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or
(6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated premises and the person received notice that:
(A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
(B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an officer of the court.
(c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035.
(2) "Secured area" means an area of an airport terminal building to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law.
(d) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as:
(1) a member of the armed forces or national guard;
(2) a guard employed by a penal institution; or
(3) a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies if:
(A) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(B) the firearm or club is in plain view; or
(4) Deleted by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, § 17, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
(5) a security officer who holds a personal protection authorization under the Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes).
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor checked all firearms as baggage in accordance with federal or state law or regulations before entering a secured area.
(f) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor possessed a handgun and was licensed to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(g) An offense under this section is a third degree felony.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies, if:
(1) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(2) the firearm or club is in plain view.
(i) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(6) that the actor possessed a firearm or club:
(1) while in a vehicle being driven on a public road; or
(2) at the actor's residence or place of employment.
I'm OK with the law Just need to be more carefull with the cut and past
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:51 am
by threeg45
A race track also can be a professional sporting event so it would still be off limits.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:17 pm
by WildBill
threeg45 wrote:A race track also can be a professional sporting event so it would still be off limits.
What about a dog racetrack? Dogs can't be professional athletes.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:09 pm
by sjfcontrol
threeg45 wrote:A race track also can be a professional sporting event so it would still be off limits.
But then it would NOT be off limits because it's a racetrack, but because it was hosting a professional sporting event.
A racetrack is off limits even when no races are taking place. A professional sporting event is only off limits during the event.
Also, I believe the only form of racing that entails pari-mutuel wagering is horses and dogs.
Re: Bad Instructors VS Bad Writers
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:49 pm
by Art S
Crossfire wrote:If it wasn't confusing, it wouldn't be Texas law!
There is a lot of grey around hear.
That's why they practice law. They're still trying to get it right.