Strange call from "Regulatory services."

[wgoforth]

Are we saying that when this auditor comes out, they want to see scores?? What then if we have not recorded any?

It could be like the IRS auditor coming out and wanting to see receipts and you didn't keep any. Or it could be no big deal.

If they do make a big deal, I can imagine a number of instructors telling them to keep their certification.

[TexasGal]

Any kind of state license carries with it requirements to do whatever it covers the way the state wants you to. Just think about all those annoying traffic laws and tickets your driver's license came with .

DPS didn't make the laws, they just have to enforce them. The problems arise from confusion as to what is required and sometimes from the egos of those who think they purchased the license and should be able to do whatever they want to with it. The DPS is trying to correct both these things so good instructors have better support and a clearer understanding--and those who won't follow guidelines are weeded out. With the numbers of students waiting eagerly to take the instructor's class and the numbers of instructors already licensed, I doubt anyone will miss the ones that decide they don't want anyone looking over their shoulders. I have three different licenses and they are all this way. You have to obey the requirements to keep the license. I wish I had a dime for every hour I've spent in hard chairs listening for days at a time to boring speakers to satisfy my required CE's every year for one of my licenses--and I have to keep those records for as long as I keep the license so they can be audited . Sitting down with an CHL auditor for 30 minutes once a year is far far easier. Since this is the first year they are carrying this out, I doubt any who have had sloppy record keeping will get more than just a notice of what they need to do from now on. It's not going to be as traumatic as the word "audit" sounds unless you are have been doing some major no no's.

[wgoforth]

Any kind of state license carries with it requirements to do whatever it covers the way the state wants you to. Just think about all those annoying traffic laws and tickets your driver's license came with .

DPS didn't make the laws, they just have to enforce them. The problems arise from confusion as to what is required and sometimes from the egos of those who think they purchased the license and should be able to do whatever they want to with it. The DPS is trying to correct both these things so good instructors have better support and a clearer understanding--and those who won't follow guidelines are weeded out. With the numbers of students waiting eagerly to take the instructor's class and the numbers of instructors already licensed, I doubt anyone will miss the ones that decide they don't want anyone looking over their shoulders. I have three different licenses and they are all this way. You have to obey the requirements to keep the license. I wish I had a dime for every hour I've spent in hard chairs listening for days at a time to boring speakers to satisfy my required CE's every year for one of my licenses--and I have to keep those records for as long as I keep the license so they can be audited . Sitting down with an CHL auditor for 30 minutes once a year is far far easier. Since this is the first year they are carrying this out, I doubt any who have had sloppy record keeping will get more than just a notice of what they need to do from now on. It's not going to be as traumatic as the word "audit" sounds unless you are have been doing some major no no's.

I don't see this as a comparison to a driver's license at all. You took your driving test, you obey laws in driving. Similarly, you took your instructors class and test, you obey laws in teaching.... now someone wants to come and quizz you again. What if someone said they wanted to come and re-quizz you over your driver's license? Keep in mind that besides seeing our certs and forms, Deidra Neely said we will be quizzed on procedural matters. I can understand doing this if there has been a complaint or there is a question about someones CHL-100, but this seems to me to be a waste of resources...theirs and mine.
I will comply, I have no option. But I aint liking this a bit and am calling legislsature to complain about wasting money.

[Keith B]

I don't see this as a comparison to a driver's license at all. You took your driving test, you obey laws in driving. Similarly, you took your instructors class and test, you obey laws in teaching.... now someone wants to come and quizz you again. What if someone said they wanted to come and re-quizz you over your driver's license? Keep in mind that besides seeing our certs and forms, Deidra Neely said we will be quizzed on procedural matters. I can understand doing this if there has been a complaint or there is a question about someones CHL-100, but this seems to me to be a waste of resources...theirs and mine.
I will comply, I have no option. But I aint liking this a bit and am calling legislsature to complain about wasting money.

As TexasGal says, this is very common practice with certifications. I have various ones that I have to kep records on and get audited periodically. A good example is as an LTA flight instructor I have to keep trinaing records of students I teach and have them available for the FAA if they request them. And, just having my pilots license requires that I take a flight review every 24 months. I have to just keep regular logs on flights and any aircraft maintenance to show to any FAA inspector if they requyest them. I have actually had them show up out of the blue when they saw me flying and requested to see them when I landed. Luckily I had them with me (not required) so I didn't have to follow up with them later.

So, in my best Old English 'Me thinks thou doth protest too much'.
I wouldn't sweat this at all. As long as you are following the rules and doing what you are supposed to do, you should be good to go!!

[wgoforth]

I don't see this as a comparison to a driver's license at all. You took your driving test, you obey laws in driving. Similarly, you took your instructors class and test, you obey laws in teaching.... now someone wants to come and quizz you again. What if someone said they wanted to come and re-quizz you over your driver's license? Keep in mind that besides seeing our certs and forms, Deidra Neely said we will be quizzed on procedural matters. I can understand doing this if there has been a complaint or there is a question about someones CHL-100, but this seems to me to be a waste of resources...theirs and mine.
I will comply, I have no option. But I aint liking this a bit and am calling legislsature to complain about wasting money.

As TexasGal says, this is very common practice with certifications. I have various ones that I have to kep records on and get audited periodically. A good example is as an LTA flight instructor I have to keep trinaing records of students I teach and have them available for the FAA if they request them. And, just having my pilots license requires that I take a flight review every 24 months. I have to just keep regular logs on flights and any aircraft maintenance to show to any FAA inspector if they requyest them. I have actually had them show up out of the blue when they saw me flying and requested to see them when I landed. Luckily I had them with me (not required) so I didn't have to follow up with them later.

So, in my best Old English 'Me thinks thou doth protest too much'.
I wouldn't sweat this at all. As long as you are following the rules and doing what you are supposed to do, you should be good to go!!

And it is possible...but it is the quizzing part that I am more displeased withI don't know of other certs where they come back and, as she said "quizz you over procedural matters you should already know." I told her that I cannot be sure I can answer, that's why I have note and instructions.

[Keith B]

And it is possible...but it is the quizzing part that I am more displeased withI don't know of other certs where they come back and, as she said "quizz you over procedural matters you should already know." I told her that I cannot be sure I can answer, that's why I have note and instructions.

Part of my flight review every two years is being quizzed on procedural matters. No different.

[clarionite]

And it is possible...but it is the quizzing part that I am more displeased withI don't know of other certs where they come back and, as she said "quizz you over procedural matters you should already know." I told her that I cannot be sure I can answer, that's why I have note and instructions.

Part of my flight review every two years is being quizzed on procedural matters. No different.

My wife has inspections at her job at least twice a year by a state agency (Not DPS related at all). Once announced, once unannounced. I've heard her complain about all the extra work her job seems to have her do before the announced visit, because she feels it's something that should be maintained throughout the year. But don't think I've ever heard her complain that she's got her certification, why do they have to quiz her again... Seems like a strange concept to me.

[Keith B]

Part of my flight review every two years is being quizzed on procedural matters. No different.

My wife has inspections at her job at least twice a year by a state agency (Not DPS related at all). Once announced, once unannounced. I've heard her complain about all the extra work her job seems to have her do before the announced visit, because she feels it's something that should be maintained throughout the year. But don't think I've ever heard her complain that she's got her certification, why do they have to quiz her again... Seems like a strange concept to me.

Rules and regs change and as a CHL instructor (and just a CHL holder for that matter) you are required to keep up to date and know the them. A good example are those instructors that are teaching churches and hospitals are off limits period, even without a 30.06. This isn't just teaching pistol safety which basically doesn't change, it is teaching the law and the statutes. If you are teaching it incorrectly then you are not doing the student, yourself or the state justice.

[clarionite]

Part of my flight review every two years is being quizzed on procedural matters. No different.

My wife has inspections at her job at least twice a year by a state agency (Not DPS related at all). Once announced, once unannounced. I've heard her complain about all the extra work her job seems to have her do before the announced visit, because she feels it's something that should be maintained throughout the year. But don't think I've ever heard her complain that she's got her certification, why do they have to quiz her again... Seems like a strange concept to me.

Rules and regs change and as a CHL instructor (and just a CHL holder for that matter) you are required to keep up to date and know the them. A good example are those instructors that are teaching churches and hospitals are off limits period, even without a 30.06. This isn't just teaching pistol safety which basically doesn't change, it is teaching the law and the statutes. If you are teaching it incorrectly then you are not doing the student, yourself or the state justice.

I agree completely.

[pottssr]

I was called about 4 weeks ago and an inspector form DPS made an appointment to come and audit our class files. She was from the Hurst, Texas office (our classroom is in Watauga). She came to the classroom and checked all of our CHL instructor certificates, checked our B-27 targets for color and size (24x45 inches). (Black is not an authorized target color anymore - hasn't made to the instructor level yet). She checked (at random) 3 years of class files. The items that have to be in each class file is the applicantion of each student applying to the class (sign-in sheet), target score sheets, test score sheets, copy of CHL-100s, and class program for that day. She will also want to see any paperwork that you have sent to DPS (asking students leave class because of unsafe range behavior, etc.). She will check your class program to make sur you are teaching the mandated courses (we showed her some of our power point and she was happy with that). We had to sign a form saying that we were audited that day and she said that we would be getting an copy sent back to each of us. She told us that the DPS was starting to inspect all the CHL instructors and that they might start doing it each year.

[wgoforth]

I was called about 4 weeks ago and an inspector form DPS made an appointment to come and audit our class files. She (Donna) was from the Hurst, Texas office (our classroom is in Watauga). She came to the classroom and checked all of our CHL instructor certificates, checked our B-27 targets for color and size (24x45 inches). (Black is not an authorized target color anymore - hasn't made to the instructor level yet). She checked (at random) 3 years of class files. The items that have to be in each class file is the applicantion of each student applying to the class (sign-in sheet), target score sheets, test score sheets, copy of CHL-100s, and class program for that day. She will also want to see any paperwork that you have sent to DPS (asking students leave class because of unsafe range behavior, etc.). She will check your class program to make sur you are teaching the mandated courses (we showed her some of our power point and she was happy with that). We had to sign a form saying that we were audited that day and she said that we would be getting an copy sent back to each of us. She told us that the DPS was starting to inspect all the CHL instructors and that they might start doing it each year.

Haven't heard that black is not accepted.... we were told in Jan class that it is black and blue like a bruise, and red and green like a Christmas tree. Anything documented on this?

[Keith B]

I was called about 4 weeks ago and an inspector form DPS made an appointment to come and audit our class files. She (Donna) was from the Hurst, Texas office (our classroom is in Watauga). She came to the classroom and checked all of our CHL instructor certificates, checked our B-27 targets for color and size (24x45 inches). (Black is not an authorized target color anymore - hasn't made to the instructor level yet). She checked (at random) 3 years of class files. The items that have to be in each class file is the applicantion of each student applying to the class (sign-in sheet), target score sheets, test score sheets, copy of CHL-100s, and class program for that day. She will also want to see any paperwork that you have sent to DPS (asking students leave class because of unsafe range behavior, etc.). She will check your class program to make sur you are teaching the mandated courses (we showed her some of our power point and she was happy with that). We had to sign a form saying that we were audited that day and she said that we would be getting an copy sent back to each of us. She told us that the DPS was starting to inspect all the CHL instructors and that they might start doing it each year.

Haven't heard that black is not accepted.... we were told in Jan class that it is black and blue like a bruise, and red and green like a Christmas tree. Anything documented on this?

The auditor was wrong as of what we were told in the the last class taught. That needs to be corrected in the audits. They are still a B-27 target in one of four colors; black, blue, red or green.

[wgoforth]

I was called about 4 weeks ago and an inspector form DPS made an appointment to come and audit our class files. She (Donna) was from the Hurst, Texas office (our classroom is in Watauga). She came to the classroom and checked all of our CHL instructor certificates, checked our B-27 targets for color and size (24x45 inches). (Black is not an authorized target color anymore - hasn't made to the instructor level yet). She checked (at random) 3 years of class files. The items that have to be in each class file is the applicantion of each student applying to the class (sign-in sheet), target score sheets, test score sheets, copy of CHL-100s, and class program for that day. She will also want to see any paperwork that you have sent to DPS (asking students leave class because of unsafe range behavior, etc.). She will check your class program to make sur you are teaching the mandated courses (we showed her some of our power point and she was happy with that). We had to sign a form saying that we were audited that day and she said that we would be getting an copy sent back to each of us. She told us that the DPS was starting to inspect all the CHL instructors and that they might start doing it each year.

Haven't heard that black is not accepted.... we were told in Jan class that it is black and blue like a bruise, and red and green like a Christmas tree. Anything documented on this?

The auditor was wrong as of what we were told in the the last class taught. That needs to be corrected in the audits. They are still a B-27 target in one of four colors; black, blue, red or green.

I do recall being some flap a while back on black targets, as some group was claiming it was racist.

[Keith B]

I do recall being some flap a while back on black targets, as some group was claiming it was racist.

Well, I guess shooting Martians or guys from the Blue Man Group is OK cause they are not a protected class. LOL

[speedsix]

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