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Homeowner had 'a right to resist'

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:07 pm
by CHL/LEO
Judge acquits John Coffin on 5 felony charges; Coffin gets time served on 6th.

By TODD RUGER
todd.ruger@heraldtribune.com

SARASOTA -- John Coffin won't spend any more time in jail for beating up two sheriff's deputies inside his house, striking one in the head with a Taser gun he took from the other.

Circuit Judge Rick De Furia said at Coffin's trial Tuesday that he doesn't condone the violence against the deputies.

But Coffin, 56, had a right to defend his family and property because the deputies had no right to be in Coffin's house in the first place, De Furia said.

"Law enforcement was responsible for the chain of events here," De Furia said. "I think in situations like this, officers become so frustrated they go beyond what the law allows them to do."

The fight started when Coffin heard his wife screaming in pain, went into the garage and saw two deputies arresting her on the floor.

The deputies were trying to serve Coffin with civil papers that had been given five days earlier. They had entered the garage even though they did not have a search warrant or arrest warrant.

And they arrested Coffin's wife, Cynthia, 50, on obstruction charges even though she had no obligation to follow their orders to bring her husband outside.

"The most critical is the fact the officers broke the law by stopping the garage door from going down," and then entering the garage, De Furia said.

A jury was picked for the trial Monday. But the judge granted a motion by Coffin's attorneys, Derek Byrd and Brett McIntosh, and acquitted John Coffin on five of six felony charges Tuesday morning.

Coffin pleaded no contest to the remaining charge of taking a Taser gun from one of the deputies during the fight.

Before handing down the sentence, De Furia asked how long Coffin spent in jail after his initial arrest.

"You spent eight days in the Sarasota County jail," De Furia said. "That's your sentence. No probation."

Relatives applauded, and Coffin walked out of the courthouse with only a $358 bill for court costs. The sentence surprised even defense attorneys, who had suggested De Furia sentence Coffin to probation.

Prosecutors had asked for more than a year of prison time because of "the totality of the case" and the injuries to deputies James Lutz and Stacy Ferris, whose name is now Stacy Brandau.

The two deputies testified about their injuries Tuesday -- three blows to the head with the butt of the Taser gun knocked Lutz unconscious.

"I just ask that he doesn't get away with this," Brandau told the judge.

Assistant State Attorney Jeff Young told the judge the case "could have been over in five seconds" if the Coffins "had simply come out and cooperated."

"That is a man who took it upon himself to beat up two police officers," Young said.

De Furia said that while he believed the deputies' mistakes were not intentional, the Coffins had every right to lock doors, try to close their garage door and not cooperate.

"What took place in the house was unfortunate," De Furia said, "but Mr. Coffin ... had a right to resist."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...=2007703140547

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:50 pm
by phddan
Maybe there is hope for judges.

Dan

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:15 pm
by bigdook
i dont condone the violence but i have to agree with the judge.

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:54 pm
by txinvestigator
There has already been a thread on this.

Fact is, in Texas, one cannot resist and arrest or search, EVEN of it is an illegal arrest or search.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:47 am
by phddan
Fact is, in Texas, one cannot resist and arrest or search, EVEN of it is an illegal arrest or search.
I believe you meant one cannot Legally resist an arrest or search, even if it is illegal.

Dan

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:15 pm
by pbandjelly
Oh, sure. YOU can illegally resist, but I am rather fond of being able to chew food.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:33 pm
by Will938
That is, you cannot resist unless the officer uses excessive force before it is warrented. Though I don't think I'd like to make the distinction, I'd rather just take a beating if it came down to it. Because even if you're right resisting is only going to make things worse.

Comply and send in Charles :grin:

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:45 pm
by nitrogen
txinvestigator wrote:There has already been a thread on this.

Fact is, in Texas, one cannot resist and arrest or search, EVEN of it is an illegal arrest or search.
I think you're talking about § 38.03. (b) right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there is a proviso in the law allowing you to resist if the force used against you by a law enforcement officer is "excessive"? I might be wrong, but I can't seem to find it in the texas statutes 22.01 or 22.02

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:55 pm
by stevie_d_64
Well, in Florida it appears you can, to the detriment of your health...

In Texas, it was thoroughly discussed (here) that its not a good idea to do so...

So lets ALL move to Florida! Woo Hoo! (/sarcasm)

My personal take was that I believe a big majority of Law Enforcement officers in this state would not have pushed the envelop back as far as they did in Florida in the same situation, serving civil papers...

Its just not worth it, and there can always be another opportunity to do it when the situation is less volitile...

But thats just me...

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:58 pm
by txinvestigator
nitrogen wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:There has already been a thread on this.

Fact is, in Texas, one cannot resist and arrest or search, EVEN of it is an illegal arrest or search.
I think you're talking about § 38.03. (b) right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there is a proviso in the law allowing you to resist if the force used against you by a law enforcement officer is "excessive"? I might be wrong, but I can't seem to find it in the texas statutes 22.01 or 22.02
38.03 makes it illegal to resist a search or arrest, even an unlawful one.

Chapter 9 offers you NO defense to assault or higher if you resist an arrest or search, even an unlawful one, UNLESS prior to your offering ANY resistence, the officer uses greater force than necessary.


Texas Penal Code
§9.31. Self-defense.



(b) The use of force against another is not justified:

(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is
being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace
officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or
search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under
Subsection (c);


(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:

(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace
officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use
greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and

(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the
force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace
officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force
than necessary.


If you pull away, you have resisted. Once you resist, your justification for using force is ended.

And this is Texas law only.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:12 pm
by phddan
Ah, so there is a caveat.
Fact is, in Texas, one cannot resist and arrest or search, EVEN of it is an illegal arrest or search
Dan

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:40 pm
by stevie_d_64
txinvestigator wrote:(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace
officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use
greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and
Who would (or could) this be??? (person acting at his direction)???
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the
force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace
officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force
than necessary.[/b]
I would summize that a situation like this would have to be a serious breakdown in procedures on the LEO's part, per the law in this state...Not that I believe this happens all the time, rather I don't think I have ever heard of a successful resistance to arrest in this state before...

Other things have played into the situation by then, and it'd be no use in even filing a counter to an LEO's action, whether it was legal or not...

I know...I'm giving you a headache...Yer welcome! :lol:

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:43 pm
by CHL/LEO
My personal take was that I believe a big majority of Law Enforcement officers in this state would not have pushed the envelop back as far as they did in Florida in the same situation, serving civil papers...
Trust me - this (illegal searches/arrests) happens every day here in Texas. Most citizens have no clue as to what their rights are in regards to arrests, searches, and seizures. You also aren't going to find too many people that are going to fight with the police during these type of situations so it never makes the news. I can pretty well assure you that this fellow hadn't a clue as to what these LEOs could have legally done - as the story said, he saw his wife struggling with two deputies and went to her aid.

I am not condoning what these deputies did but Mr. Coffin is lucky he did not end up in a coffin. If someone "takes" either my or my partner's Taser, impact weapon, OC spray, or gun away they "might" get shot. If they start "using" one of those weapons against us then they "probably will" get shot. Also, what if some other LEOs showed up at the scene and saw this situation going on. Do you think they're going to stop and ask questions regarding exactly what the facts are? Nope, they're going to see two other LEOs getting attacked with a weapon and very well could use deadly force. Again Mr. Coffin is very lucky he wasn't shot.

Like several other people have posted on here, don't fight the police. If something was done improperly or illegally, sort it out later.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:53 pm
by txinvestigator
CHL/LEO wrote:
My personal take was that I believe a big majority of Law Enforcement officers in this state would not have pushed the envelop back as far as they did in Florida in the same situation, serving civil papers...
Trust me - this (illegal searches/arrests) happens every day here in Texas. Most citizens have no clue as to what their rights are in regards to arrests, searches, and seizures. You also aren't going to find too many people that are going to fight with the police during these type of situations so it never makes the news. I can pretty well assure you that this fellow hadn't a clue as to what these LEOs could have legally done - as the story said, he saw his wife struggling with two deputies and went to her aid.

I am not condoning what these deputies did but Mr. Coffin is lucky he did not end up in a coffin. If someone "takes" either my or my partner's Taser, impact weapon, OC spray, or gun away they "might" get shot. If they start "using" one of those weapons against us then they "probably will" get shot. Also, what if some other LEOs showed up at the scene and saw this situation going on. Do you think they're going to stop and ask questions regarding exactly what the facts are? Nope, they're going to see two other LEOs getting attacked with a weapon and very well could use deadly force. Again Mr. Coffin is very lucky he wasn't shot.

Like several other people have posted on here, don't fight the police. If something was done improperly or illegally, sort it out later.
Heehee, I agree 100%, but put on your fire proof suit. ;-)

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:17 pm
by flintknapper
CHL/LEO wrote:
My personal take was that I believe a big majority of Law Enforcement officers in this state would not have pushed the envelop back as far as they did in Florida in the same situation, serving civil papers...
Trust me - this (illegal searches/arrests) happens every day here in Texas. Most citizens have no clue as to what their rights are in regards to arrests, searches, and seizures. You also aren't going to find too many people that are going to fight with the police during these type of situations so it never makes the news. I can pretty well assure you that this fellow hadn't a clue as to what these LEOs could have legally done - as the story said, he saw his wife struggling with two deputies and went to her aid.

I am not condoning what these deputies did but Mr. Coffin is lucky he did not end up in a coffin. If someone "takes" either my or my partner's Taser, impact weapon, OC spray, or gun away they "might" get shot. If they start "using" one of those weapons against us then they "probably will" get shot. Also, what if some other LEOs showed up at the scene and saw this situation going on. Do you think they're going to stop and ask questions regarding exactly what the facts are? Nope, they're going to see two other LEOs getting attacked with a weapon and very well could use deadly force. Again Mr. Coffin is very lucky he wasn't shot.

Like several other people have posted on here, don't fight the police. If something was done improperly or illegally, sort it out later.


It is important to note that the LEO's were also lucky to have not "ended up in a coffin". As I recall....Mr. Coffin was pretty much handing them their tails for a good portion of the scuffle (it could have turned out differenty). The whole thing was entirely unnecessary IMO.

I have a question for you guys concerning the physical limitations/disabilities of someone you may wish to arrest/detain.

I have a fairly severe rotator cuff problem that prevents me from moving my arm past my centerline (at hip) without experiencing quite a lot of pain.

If for some reason....an officer were to arrest/detain/control me, and I informed him of this condition beforehand, can you imagine that "some" might choose to disregard that info and place me in a position where I would incur injury from having my arm put behind my back.

I can assure you that I will "resist" (to the degree necessary) in that event.

I can see this happening if Joe Citizen runs into the occasional LE that is a bit "badge heavy". And please don't tell me they do not exist, I ran into one about 30 yrs. ago in Austin...and if his partner had not reined him in, it was going to turn bad (for everyone).

Anyway, I appreciate your participation, your viewpoints, and your willingness to take a little heat in order to share with us your perspectives.

I will watch for your answer.

Thanks, Flint.