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Medic624 wrote:Anyone Remember this early in the Obama Administration??? :rules:
http://www.infowars.com/iowa-national-g ... fiscation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was a quick down and dirty test to see how the populace would react... but when it leaked and went national it was squashed "QUICKLY" and white washed

and I get crap for citing a Media Matters link and here is a link to a 9/11 truther who is convinced that the NWO is no only real but out to kill him and everyone of us this guy makes Glenn Beck look like Edward R. Murrow by comparison want me to take a link seriously use one with more credibility this guy is a lunatic period there is no room for debate on that issue
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JP171 wrote:
speedsix wrote:
JP171 wrote:I wont say it can't happen here, I will say that it is most very unlikely to happen here, there are laws that prevent the actions by the federal military that cover this very thing, the N.O. thing was NOT federal military( it was Lousianna national guard) the Nat. Guard is under the direction of the Governor of the state NOT the Federal govt, when a NG unit is called up by the Fed a formal request is made to the GOVERNOR and the Governor has the ability to refuse(never happend but can) I do agree though that most of the people who are in the federal military service do not know about the laws and what comstitutes a legal or illegal order and the current administration isn't going to tell them. as far as police comming from other states to Tx and attempting to disarm us it is also in the realm of fantasy, other law enforcement officers from other states have no acutal legal authority in texas although texas currently plays nice and gives them the benefit of the doubt, but on the orders of the Governor of Texas that can stop just that fast, also most of the Texas National Guard and State Guard would refuse Orders to confiscate weapons of Texas Citizens, and Texas does make sure that the Guardsmen are familiar with the UCJM,TCMJ, Hague and Geneva conventions and what does or does not constitute a lawfull order.
...when I was an LEO in the 70s, we were taught that the Federal government could come in in an "emergency" and make all law enforcement federally authorized and controlled...and there were those of us THEN who said that we'd quit if that ever happened...there are still a lot who would...there are legal ways the feds can do it...but there will be more resistance than they've ever dreamed...some Americans will still die for their rights...and some feel like Patton...but I can't quote that here...'cause Patton talked nasty :patriot: :patriot:

I have heard of no law that would allow this, however that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The last I went thru about civilian law enforcement was that there was no way to federalize them beyond what state law allowed. I would like to know where this law is just cause I am curious as to how to federalize a city or county LEO on a federal level, I know that they can be under federal coordination but not federalized to work in states outside of their own.
...have fun diggin'!!! might be easier for you to find the backup for this claim "...but not federalized to work in states outside of their own"...if they can be federalized, they're in authority anywhere the federals send 'em...
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JP171 wrote:believe it not that is perfectly legal its not the fed that instituted that it was the governor of the state. Natioal Guard tropps are allowed to be used at the discretion of the Governor and in the manner the Governor chooses to use them
Well, it may be the sole discretion of the Governor how best to utilize the National Guard but that does not allow them to circumvent your 4th and 2nd amendments in the name of an "Exercise"... They're not to be used as a law enforcement entity when no Marshal Law is currently in place or warranted. This was a test pure and simple to see what the populace would do if they came in and under the guise of an exercise they attempted to use the Natnl Guard where there are LEO's that are paid to do that on a daily basis but they need probable cause and then search warrant... Not oh, we're just screwing around and want to practice these skills. Uh, Noooo!
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loadedliberal wrote:I have to say seeing a post like this makes me seriously question peoples intelligence and critical thinking ability. The paranoia of "obamas gonna take our guns" is the same that was heard during the Clinton administration. The President had so far done nothing to limit gun right in fact he said he supported the recent supreme court descion that overturned DCs gun ban. The arguments are counterproductive and damage the credibly of the people making the who I believe are good, albeit misguided people.
What you have written here makes me think the same way about you. Our liberty is always one generation away from being extinguished by tyrants, well meaning as they may be. Surely you are familiar with the aphorism "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom"?

I've lived 63 years. I can remember when you could walk in to the local Western Auto and buy any gun you wanted to. Can you do that now? I can remember when I could buy any type of light bulb that I wanted to, get whatever size flush toilet struck my fancy and smoke anywhere I felt like. My father-in-law remembers when you didn't have to have a license to drive a car and you didn't have to be sixteen to do it either. I remember when it wasn't against the law to drive without a seat belt. I remember when there was no US Department of Education and school decisions were handled locally. I can remember when there was no EPA that could decide the the byproduct of breathing was a pollutant.

Now, you can argue that those are all good things and should be done, but you cannot deny that they take away our liberty to decide for ourselves how we will live our lives. Government intrudes more and more into our lives all the time. The politicians that pass these laws think they are doing the right thing (for the most part - there are some that know exactly what they are doing.) But the end result is that we have less liberty, are more controlled by our government and are more likely to become lawbreakers merely by living our lives.

The Obama administration has already agreed in principle to the UN Arms Treaty. Yes, it would have to be ratified by the Senate, but that's not the point. Merely agreeing in principle to such a treaty is an admission that the current administration does not believe in the sovereignty of the US or the sanctity of our Constitution. Why? Because in order to comply with the treaty, as proposed, the US would have to require that every firearm in the US be registered and every sale of a firearm be recorded.

With Presidents from both parties ruling more and more by fiat (so-called Executive Orders), the danger of the power of the Presidency being misused is exponentially increased. With increasing numbers of people dependent upon the Federal government for their daily subsistence (in the form of "entitlements" such as food stamps, aid to dependent children, etc., etc.) the pool of people willing and able to resist a government takeover continues to shrink.

If you don't find these to be danger signals that need to be heeded, then I can only attribute it to a dangerous naivete.
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loadedliberal wrote:
Medic624 wrote:Anyone Remember this early in the Obama Administration??? :rules:
http://www.infowars.com/iowa-national-g ... fiscation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was a quick down and dirty test to see how the populace would react... but when it leaked and went national it was squashed "QUICKLY" and white washed

and I get crap for citing a Media Matters link and here is a link to a 9/11 truther who is convinced that the NWO is no only real but out to kill him and everyone of us this guy makes Glenn Beck look like Edward R. Murrow by comparison want me to take a link seriously use one with more credibility this guy is a lunatic period there is no room for debate on that issue
Basically I took the first Google link that posted... There are many... but that does not reduce the point that it's a fact that this was an actual planned exercise and the intent post cancellation was admitted to by the LTC who was in charge... Bottom line is whether started by the Governor or someone in the Obama Administration the bottom line is they were attempting to see what the public would allow and as soon as the word made it's was out of Arcadia Iowa. The Govt. cancelled the "Exercise" after a U.S. wide outcry.
Healthcare is one thing... A direct attack on our 4th and 2nd Amendments that's a WHOLE other issue!
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boomerang wrote:They can bring in police from DC, NYC, Chicago or other places where they're conditioned to disarm The People.

If that happens, and I really hope it never does, DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, Boston, ect., will be short a lot of officers, some by resignation, some by other means. That would be a :cryin shame.
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I'm almost sure it will happen here, maybe not in the next 20 or 30 years but the people that think like us and vote like us are not reproducing at the rate of the ones that think and vote the other way.
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"loadedliberal wrote:I have to say seeing a post like this makes me seriously question peoples intelligence and critical thinking ability. The paranoia of "obamas gonna take our guns" is the same that was heard during the Clinton administration. The President had so far done nothing to limit gun right in fact he said he supported the recent supreme court descion that overturned DCs gun ban. The arguments are counterproductive and damage the credibly of the people making the who I believe are good, albeit misguided people."

The reason he hasn't done what he wants in this area is BECAUSE he is being watched so carefully. :nono: :smash:

As to supporting Heller, He LIES. Check his record. He has never met an onerous gun control bill he didn't vote for in Illinois or in the Senate. :mad5

Ex. He voted to extend the "Assault Weapon Ban" :confused5 , after it had been proven to be totally ineffective for ten years. The reason it was ineffective is that it targeted something that was not a problem.
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glbedd53 wrote:I'm almost sure it will happen here, maybe not in the next 20 or 30 years but the people that think like us and vote like us are not reproducing at the rate of the ones that think and vote the other way.
...we can't afford to...those who are illegally claiming "entitlements" to programs designed to keep 'em voting for the one who fills the food bowl can...in fact are enriched by spawning...unless we knock them off the gov't teat, you're exactly right...
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speedsix wrote:
glbedd53 wrote:I'm almost sure it will happen here, maybe not in the next 20 or 30 years but the people that think like us and vote like us are not reproducing at the rate of the ones that think and vote the other way.
...we can't afford to...those who are illegally claiming "entitlements" to programs designed to keep 'em voting for the one who fills the food bowl can...in fact are enriched by spawning...unless we knock them off the gov't teat, you're exactly right...
Which will NEVER happen unless the Left Wingers are voted out for more than one cycle ...

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Medic624 wrote:
speedsix wrote:
glbedd53 wrote:I'm almost sure it will happen here, maybe not in the next 20 or 30 years but the people that think like us and vote like us are not reproducing at the rate of the ones that think and vote the other way.
...we can't afford to...those who are illegally claiming "entitlements" to programs designed to keep 'em voting for the one who fills the food bowl can...in fact are enriched by spawning...unless we knock them off the gov't teat, you're exactly right...
Which will NEVER happen unless the Left Wingers are voted out for more than one cycle ...

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