This is a link to the news report. It's interesting as the robber was clearly in the wrong. And the customer ended the threat.
The odd things are:
1). The customer didn't stick around because the police are looking for him
2). If you find the full video, which I did, the customer shoots well beyond the threat being stopped... in fact, I believe he walks over and puts in a kill shot after picking up the robber's gun. I get the adrenaline factor, but I believe he'll be charged once found although the police are saying differently right now.
I won't post a link to the full video, but it can be found on twitter... you'll see and hear the shots including those that appear to be well after the threat was ended.
Houston armed robbery suspect shot dead by armed customer, police looking to question shooter
Houston police want to speak to the armed customer regarding his 'role in the shooting' https://www.foxnews.com/us/houston-arme ... on-shooter
I think it strikes a chord with people fed up by criminals like this.
Surprised it's getting the run it is because many like to say that the "good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun" is a myth.
Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:43 am
by PriestTheRunner
Scott in Houston wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:53 am
I think it strikes a chord with people fed up by criminals like this.
Surprised it's getting the run it is because many like to say that the "good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun" is a myth.
Its getting the run that it is because its a sample of "See, The 'Good Guy With A Gun' Is really a bad guy!"
Unfortunate, but thats how the media works.
Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:58 am
by Grayling813
One less repeat offender.
Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:34 pm
by JakeTheSnake
Serious question, can you execute a dead person? Or is that abuse of a corpse?
No ID on the robber yet. Just got out on $50 bail for prior violent crimes?
Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:46 pm
by Beiruty
JakeTheSnake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:34 pm
Serious question, can you execute a dead person? Or is that abuse of a corpse?
No ID on the robber yet. Just got out on $50 bail for prior violent crimes?
Left leaning media would not want to shed light on felon criminal. Aggravated Robbery of multiple victims is a felony with fake firearms or otherwise. Such crime would justify the use of deadly force under Texas law. The customer who shot the criminal found out that the pistol is fake and tossed to the wall. He left the scene fearing being charged with a murder.
Best if the DA/PD closes the case since it a lose-lose otherwise. However, Houston PD/DA maybe sympathetic to criminals.
Taqueria Throwdown! Lawful or Execution?
This past Thursday night, Jan. 5, 2023, an armed and masked armed robber was plying his trade in Ranchito #4 Taqueria in Houston TX, when one of the customers decided to express his objections--in the form of nine rounds fired into the robber, unsurprisingly with fatal results. The shooter fled the scene and has not yet been identified, although authorities are looking--though they state that they have not yet decided whether to charge the shooter.
Although the initial shots fired by the shooter appear to be legally justified as defense of self, defense of others, and (uniquely under Texas law) perhaps even defense of property, the last shot fired looks more difficult to justify. At the moment that ninth shot was fired the robber was apparently unconscious on the floor and had been disarmed of the only weapon he was known to possess, when the shooter fired one last shot, apparently into the robber's head.
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Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:26 pm
by Bolton Strid
Scott in Houston wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:06 pm
1). The customer didn't stick around because the police are looking for him
Beiruty wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:46 pm
He left the scene fearing being charged with a murder.
Police would be looking for this guy by default. A realistic motivation for disappearing particularly around there is concern being identified and available for reprisal by a dead goblin's family, friends, fellow gang members. That's the reality of the world we live in now. The slide into a new order of Third World culture status is more accelerated in some places than others and Houston has quite the head start. Yet another thing at the top of the list of concerns for everyone to keep in mind before pulling your gun out.
Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:20 pm
by RoyGBiv
Greater than zero possibility that the shooter was carrying illegally. Non-citizen? Felon in possession?
IIRC, you can't bring charges until you have someone to charge?
He COULD make a claim that the kill shot was not intentional. A reflex movement in the heat of the moment. That would allow the coronor to report that the bad guy was already killed by the other rounds and give prosecution way not to charge manslaughter.
Victim Picks The Perfect Time To Turn the Tables in Houston
Great video!
Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:15 am
by Beiruty
This case raised few more questions.
First, it happened in Texas.
We know, the Texas law justifies the use of deadly force in those cases.
Second, there is no higher force than deadly force.
Add to that, If I recall correctly, and please prove me wrong if otherwise, the law does not limit the actor on what deadly force or the level of force, or in this case how many rounds to shoot or when to shoot or not shoot.
This is why in Texas such case could or could not be prosecuted even if it looks "ugly"
Re: Houston: Customer Kills Robber
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:02 am
by PriestTheRunner
Beiruty wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:15 am
This case raised few more questions.
First, it happened in Texas.
We know, the Texas law justifies the use of deadly force in those cases.
Second, there is no higher force than deadly force.
Add to that, If I recall correctly, and please prove me wrong if otherwise, the law does not limit the actor on what deadly force or the level of force, or in this case how many rounds to shoot or when to shoot or not shoot.
This is why in Texas such case could or could not be prosecuted even if it looks "ugly"
He is going to be prosecuted based on the length of time between the 3rd, then the 4th 5th and 6th shots, and then the final shot.
You shoot until the threat is stopped. The threat stopped and he walked over and shot him in the back of the head.
Have you guys seen the full video?...... Its going to be a nasty court case that he will most likely lose.
Edit to add: I'm not saying what he did wasn't just or expedient, and I'm not saying he wasn't "in the right". I'm saying the the location and DA is going to chase this hard. He may get off on a lack of medical training in whether the perp was conscious or still a threat, and if a reasonable person would consider the perp still a threat based on the speed of the encounter.
Beiruty wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:15 am
This case raised few more questions.
First, it happened in Texas.
We know, the Texas law justifies the use of deadly force in those cases.
Second, there is no higher force than deadly force.
Add to that, If I recall correctly, and please prove me wrong if otherwise, the law does not limit the actor on what deadly force or the level of force, or in this case how many rounds to shoot or when to shoot or not shoot.
This is why in Texas such case could or could not be prosecuted even if it looks "ugly"
He is going to be prosecuted based on the length of time between the 3rd, then the 4th 5th and 6th shots, and then the final shot.
You shoot until the threat is stopped. The threat stopped and he walked over and shot him in the back of the head.
Have you guys seen the full video?...... Its going to be a nasty court case that he will most likely lose.
Edit to add: I'm not saying what he did wasn't just or expedient, and I'm not saying he wasn't "in the right". I'm saying the the location and DA is going to chase this hard. He may get off on a lack of medical training in whether the perp was conscious or still a threat, and if a reasonable person would consider the perp still a threat based on the speed of the encounter.
That last shot may be his downfall.
I heard one report say that he "disarmed" the perp before that last shot. That makes it even more dangerous for the shooter, IMHO.
This case really makes me wish that I was still registered as a voter in Harris county instead of Fort Bend. Just for the chance to be on this jury if it comes to that. If there is any way for the defense attorney to get testimony from the family of the guy this criminal previously killed, that would be huge.
