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TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:03 am
by philip964
https://news.yahoo.com/grand-jury-decli ... 06205.html

Didn’t call police. Policed his casings.

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:12 am
by Archery1
Someone had posted this on our neighborhood group. Jones Rd. and 290 Area. I watch more where I park now.


Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:44 am
by loscar141
Had I seen that happening I would have throw a brick into his windshield. Man that grinds my gears

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:40 am
by K.Mooneyham
I have zero sympathy for the deceased thief. However, the LTC holder got lucky, IMO. Not calling police, and picking up his brass after the incident? Not the way to do things, at all, and not what I was taught in CHL class.

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:39 am
by oljames3
K.Mooneyham wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:40 am I have zero sympathy for the deceased thief. However, the LTC holder got lucky, IMO. Not calling police, and picking up his brass after the incident? Not the way to do things, at all, and not what I was taught in CHL class.
Agreed. Defender caught a break. Not being indicted is not the same as a "not guilty" verdict.

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:22 pm
by ELB
oljames3 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:39 am Agreed. Defender caught a break. Not being indicted is not the same as a "not guilty" verdict.
It's much better, actually, says a) either there's no crime here or there's not enough to go to trial with, and b) avoids the cost and agony of a trial. A not-guilty verdict is very expensive. I would take a no-bill any day. He sort of got a "jury nullification" by the GJ.

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:11 pm
by oljames3
ELB wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:22 pm
oljames3 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:39 am Agreed. Defender caught a break. Not being indicted is not the same as a "not guilty" verdict.
It's much better, actually, says a) either there's no crime here or there's not enough to go to trial with, and b) avoids the cost and agony of a trial. A not-guilty verdict is very expensive. I would take a no-bill any day. He sort of got a "jury nullification" by the GJ.
He is still at jeopardy to be charged again as double jeopardy has not attached.

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:15 pm
by Flightmare
oljames3 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:11 pm
ELB wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:22 pm
oljames3 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:39 am Agreed. Defender caught a break. Not being indicted is not the same as a "not guilty" verdict.
It's much better, actually, says a) either there's no crime here or there's not enough to go to trial with, and b) avoids the cost and agony of a trial. A not-guilty verdict is very expensive. I would take a no-bill any day. He sort of got a "jury nullification" by the GJ.
He is still at jeopardy to be charged again as double jeopardy has not attached.
Bingo! While no-bill MAY potentially eliminate the headache of a lengthy and likely costly court case, a not-guilty verdict means that it's done and over with.
IANAL

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:17 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
Flightmare wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:15 pm
oljames3 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:11 pm
ELB wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:22 pm
oljames3 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:39 am Agreed. Defender caught a break. Not being indicted is not the same as a "not guilty" verdict.
It's much better, actually, says a) either there's no crime here or there's not enough to go to trial with, and b) avoids the cost and agony of a trial. A not-guilty verdict is very expensive. I would take a no-bill any day. He sort of got a "jury nullification" by the GJ.
He is still at jeopardy to be charged again as double jeopardy has not attached.
Bingo! While no-bill MAY potentially eliminate the headache of a lengthy and likely costly court case, a not-guilty verdict means that it's done and over with.
IANAL
You are right. The DA can bring it to the grand jury on a no bill. I think they would only do that if he starts shooting off his mouth and says something that makes the DA think there is reason to charge him. Maybe if he blasts another crook in the next few months.

Re: TX: CHL not charged by grand jury in death of catalytic burglar

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:20 am
by ELB
Anybody who gets a no-bill is at jeopardy if further information comes up, or if the DA empanels a new grand jury and convinces them to indict. Even so a no-bill is still better than throwing the dice on a trial.

So far it's still true that Texas people do not like thieves and the GJ just said that.