SB11 & HB910 This week....

[v7a]

Well, Students for Concealed Carry sure are pessimistic. As one tweet puts it: "From the Department of Four-Fifths of a Loaf is Worse Than No Loaf":

[TexasJohnBoy]

It's really sad they are taking that stance on it. This is a big step forward, maybe not as big as we want or need, but it's a good one.

[TVegas]

Will there be a post-mortem on all the bills passed and an analysis of what they mean? Particularly interested in knife rights and SB 11's last minute changes.

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Yes. I've been asked to hold do something I've never done before, but it sounds like a good idea. I've been planning to announcer the new initiative this Tuesday, but the suggestion was to do it at a dinner event at a location that seats up to 200 people and record it. (This was brought up after I posted my invitation to have a debate/town hall meeting.) That way we can have the initiative explained and take questions from the floor. We can also talk about this legislative session. Then, all of this will be available on the Internet.

If there's enough interest, I'll put it together. However it is announced, I really excited about the new initiative and the difference it can make in grassroots activism. Hopefully Texans all over the State will share my enthusiasm.

Chas.

Can you expand on a possible Geographic location?

It would be in the Houston area.

Chas.

Any chance there would be a student discount??

[Ruark]

The jokers at MomsDemand are saying that SB11 as passed was a victory for them

The news article STILL didn't get it right:

" allows concealed carry of handguns on college campuses..."

and neither did MDA:

"...where and when it is appropriate to allow guns on campus."

Speaking of liberal university faculty, the woman cited in this article is an MDA member and an instructor at UT...

[Glockster]

Will there be a post-mortem on all the bills passed and an analysis of what they mean? Particularly interested in knife rights and SB 11's last minute changes.

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Yes. I've been asked to hold do something I've never done before, but it sounds like a good idea. I've been planning to announce the new initiative this Tuesday, but the suggestion was to do it at a dinner event at a location that seats up to 200 people and record it. (This was brought up after I posted my invitation to have a debate/town hall meeting.) That way we can have the initiative explained and take questions from the floor. We can also talk about this legislative session. Then, all of this will be available on the Internet.

If there's enough interest, I'll put it together. However it is announced, I really excited about the new initiative and the difference it can make in grassroots activism. Hopefully Texans all over the State will share my enthusiasm.

Chas.

Might I suggest that a separate thread be started to pass along info on this so that it doesn't get lost in the middle of all of these pages?

[TexasJohnBoy]

I'm searching ferociously for a video clip I saw earlier of Straus pounding the gavel on the vote. The look on his face was greatness. I can't find it now! It's lost somewhere in the forum or twitter or facebook or ... I cant even remember.

[Rrash]

The jokers at MomsDemand are saying that SB11 as passed was a victory for them

Apparently they are trying to smile at adversity, because they were blasting out emails, tweets and even running ads trying to kill this "terrible and dangerous Bill!" I guess lying is systemic at MDA.

Chas.

I look at it as the first time we are all in agreement: A good guy with a gun is a good thing. I'm glad to see that they have finally come to their senses.

[Scott Farkus]

It's really sad they are taking that stance on it. This is a big step forward, maybe not as big as we want or need, but it's a good one.

Agreed. No way this is not a huge victory for gun rights, especially considering this thing was literally minutes away from dying just a few days ago. And I don't think the "loophole" is going to be as large as many anti's are trying to spin it. From what I saw of the debate, Legislative intent is pretty clear and I don't think they'll tolerate a whole lot of nonsense. We'll just have to see.

[joelamosobadiah]

It's really sad they are taking that stance on it. This is a big step forward, maybe not as big as we want or need, but it's a good one.

Agreed. No way this is not a huge victory for gun rights, especially considering this thing was literally minutes away from dying just a few days ago. And I don't think the "loophole" is going to be as large as many anti's are trying to spin it. From what I saw of the debate, Legislative intent is pretty clear and I don't think they'll tolerate a whole lot of nonsense. We'll just have to see.

I think when your platform is as narrow as SCCC is then it's difficult to accept the step forward even when it's much smaller than you were hoping for and smaller than what you expected at one point in the process.

[v7a]

Someone should extract a clip of Birdwell establishing legislative intent yesterday on the Senate floor. Then we put that on DVD and send it to all the university presidents

[TexasJohnBoy]

It's really sad they are taking that stance on it. This is a big step forward, maybe not as big as we want or need, but it's a good one.

Agreed. No way this is not a huge victory for gun rights, especially considering this thing was literally minutes away from dying just a few days ago. And I don't think the "loophole" is going to be as large as many anti's are trying to spin it. From what I saw of the debate, Legislative intent is pretty clear and I don't think they'll tolerate a whole lot of nonsense. We'll just have to see.

I think when your platform is as narrow as SCCC is then it's difficult to accept the step forward even when it's much smaller than you were hoping for and smaller than what you expected at one point in the process.

Perhaps, but I still think it's bad practice to declare defeat when you just got 80% of what you wanted.

[joelamosobadiah]

It's really sad they are taking that stance on it. This is a big step forward, maybe not as big as we want or need, but it's a good one.

Agreed. No way this is not a huge victory for gun rights, especially considering this thing was literally minutes away from dying just a few days ago. And I don't think the "loophole" is going to be as large as many anti's are trying to spin it. From what I saw of the debate, Legislative intent is pretty clear and I don't think they'll tolerate a whole lot of nonsense. We'll just have to see.

I think when your platform is as narrow as SCCC is then it's difficult to accept the step forward even when it's much smaller than you were hoping for and smaller than what you expected at one point in the process.

Perhaps, but I still think it's bad practice to declare defeat when you just got 80% of what you wanted.

I agree with the first part. I think the message posted above was the wrong tone to take. Be thankful for advancements made, acknowledge defeats, make assurances of further work with university administration and legislatures moving forward. That, IMO, is a winning formula. I don't agree however that they achieved 80% of what their goal was, but none of us will until we see how the changes are implemented by administrations

[TexasJohnBoy]

Someone should extract a clip of Birdwell establishing legislative intent yesterday on the Senate floor. Then we burn that to DVD and send it to all the university presidents

The thought has crossed my mind. I've been brainstorming points of debate for meetings with regents or the president. I'm waiting to see what comes up in the next few days.

[TexasJohnBoy]

It's really sad they are taking that stance on it. This is a big step forward, maybe not as big as we want or need, but it's a good one.

Agreed. No way this is not a huge victory for gun rights, especially considering this thing was literally minutes away from dying just a few days ago. And I don't think the "loophole" is going to be as large as many anti's are trying to spin it. From what I saw of the debate, Legislative intent is pretty clear and I don't think they'll tolerate a whole lot of nonsense. We'll just have to see.

I think when your platform is as narrow as SCCC is then it's difficult to accept the step forward even when it's much smaller than you were hoping for and smaller than what you expected at one point in the process.

Perhaps, but I still think it's bad practice to declare defeat when you just got 80% of what you wanted.

I agree with the first part. I think the message posted above was the wrong tone to take. Be thankful for advancements made, acknowledge defeats, make assurances of further work with university administration and legislatures moving forward. That, IMO, is a winning formula. I don't agree however that they achieved 80% of what their goal was, but none of us will until we see how the changes are implemented by administrations

I'd say it's at least 72%. Maybe 70.56%. I think it's a big step at any rate, I was just picking a good sounding number out of the air.

[jmra]

It's really sad they are taking that stance on it. This is a big step forward, maybe not as big as we want or need, but it's a good one.

Agreed. No way this is not a huge victory for gun rights, especially considering this thing was literally minutes away from dying just a few days ago. And I don't think the "loophole" is going to be as large as many anti's are trying to spin it. From what I saw of the debate, Legislative intent is pretty clear and I don't think they'll tolerate a whole lot of nonsense. We'll just have to see.

I think when your platform is as narrow as SCCC is then it's difficult to accept the step forward even when it's much smaller than you were hoping for and smaller than what you expected at one point in the process.

Perhaps, but I still think it's bad practice to declare defeat when you just got 80% of what you wanted.

I agree with the first part. I think the message posted above was the wrong tone to take. Be thankful for advancements made, acknowledge defeats, make assurances of further work with university administration and legislatures moving forward. That, IMO, is a winning formula. I don't agree however that they achieved 80% of what their goal was, but none of us will until we see how the changes are implemented by administrations

I'd say it's at least 72%. Maybe 70.56%. I think it's a big step at any rate, I was just picking a good sounding number out of the air.

Maybe there are several things leading to their frustration:
It's easy for us to look to fixes in 2017 but students passionate about campus carry today are probably not in college in 2017. The window for CHL Campus Carry to actually have application to them personally is very small. Most students graduating in their early 20s would only get a year or two that they could carry. That window gets even smaller for many current students with the year delay. Couple that with the possibility of many places being off limits until fixes in 2017 and one could understand the frustration of those who were hoping for a bill that would give them free access CC this September.