Indeed, it sometimes seems like the American people collectively lose their ability to think rationally during an election. Remember "Read my lips - no new taxes"? Remember Perry's "property tax relief"? "If you like your doctor, you can keep him"? This is just more of the same. It's just a carrot on a stick to get voters. Politicians have been doing it since elections were invented.mojo84 wrote:Buying into empty legislation that doesn't do what was promised is much of the reason we, as a country, are in the condition we are in.
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If it's "empty legislation", that could be the problem.Ruark wrote:Indeed, it sometimes seems like the American people collectively lose their ability to think rationally during an election. Remember "Read my lips - no new taxes"? Remember Perry's "property tax relief"? "If you like your doctor, you can keep him"? This is just more of the same. It's just a carrot on a stick to get voters. Politicians have been doing it since elections were invented.mojo84 wrote:Buying into empty legislation that doesn't do what was promised is much of the reason we, as a country, are in the condition we are in.
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I agree and that's why I'm frustrated at Patrick for stalling everything else over such. His ego won't allow him to realize the house plan is a better plan.
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My understanding is that any increase in tax rates would have to be approved by 60% under the new bill. Most appraisals already increase at the max allowed by the state, so they would not be able to increase any more.mojo84 wrote:Unfortunately, what he is pushing isn't going to work in my opinion. Rates and appraisals will be increased to offset the increased homestead exemption.TXBO wrote:Patrick wants a reduction in property tax.v7a wrote:I realize you might not be able to clarify that until after the session has ended, but I see two possible interpretations of that:Charles L. Cotton wrote:It will be no different if HB910 is amended in the Senate -- but don't hold your breath waiting for Patrick to help.
1. If the spat between House and Senate doesn't get resolved soon there won't be enough time to amend HB910 and get it through concurrence vote in the House
2. Patrick wants to pass HB910 without any amendments so that he gets credit for getting Open Carry to the governor (versus House getting credit for Open Carry AND Campus Carry)
Maybe in missing something.
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safety1 wrote:Cross posted in "General CHL Discussion"
SENATE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
COMMITTEE: State Affairs
TIME & DATE: 9:00 AM, Monday, May 18, 2015
PLACE: Senate Chamber
CHAIR: Senator Joan Huffman
To consider the following:
HB 910 Phillips | et al. SP: Estes
Relating to the authority of a person who is licensed to carry a handgun to openly carry a holstered handgun; creating a criminal offense; providing penalties; amending provisions subject to a criminal penalty.
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Because of rent property, my annual property tax bill has been running about $18,000 a year, of which a large slice comes out of my 8-5 wages.
Local school district in my sparse county just passed a $15.5 million bond issue. Around $6 million was for football and contingency funds.
The lion's share of my tax bills is for school taxes, and that portion of my bill will go up by about 30%. If my shell-shocked math is with me, my next year's property tax bill will go up by about $3,000 a year, up to about $21,000. The extra three grand will be straight out of my 8-5 take home pay.
Fortunately, I already bought a P320 and a seductively sweet Kimber that will do anything I ask except miss.
Just after universal, basic rights issues, I'm all for property tax relief, just as soon as my citizenship is propped up. Campus carry, open carry, whatever can be reasonably done first, then we can talk about administrative issues like tax.
My reasoning is that if the colonists had reasoned with the British to repeal the Stamp Act, but at the cost of their militia and privately owned weapons, there would be no America.
I know. I sound like a kook. I'm harmless, I promise. Ease my property tax, ignore my gun. It will never speak unless spoken to.
Local school district in my sparse county just passed a $15.5 million bond issue. Around $6 million was for football and contingency funds.
The lion's share of my tax bills is for school taxes, and that portion of my bill will go up by about 30%. If my shell-shocked math is with me, my next year's property tax bill will go up by about $3,000 a year, up to about $21,000. The extra three grand will be straight out of my 8-5 take home pay.
Fortunately, I already bought a P320 and a seductively sweet Kimber that will do anything I ask except miss.
Just after universal, basic rights issues, I'm all for property tax relief, just as soon as my citizenship is propped up. Campus carry, open carry, whatever can be reasonably done first, then we can talk about administrative issues like tax.
My reasoning is that if the colonists had reasoned with the British to repeal the Stamp Act, but at the cost of their militia and privately owned weapons, there would be no America.
I know. I sound like a kook. I'm harmless, I promise. Ease my property tax, ignore my gun. It will never speak unless spoken to.
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While I agree with your sentiment, I'll point out one small difference in the comparison to the colonists and your tax bill.treadlightly wrote:Because of rent property, my annual property tax bill has been running about $18,000 a year, of which a large slice comes out of my 8-5 wages.
Local school district in my sparse county just passed a $15.5 million bond issue. Around $6 million was for football and contingency funds.
The lion's share of my tax bills is for school taxes, and that portion of my bill will go up by about 30%. If my shell-shocked math is with me, my next year's property tax bill will go up by about $3,000 a year, up to about $21,000. The extra three grand will be straight out of my 8-5 take home pay.
Fortunately, I already bought a P320 and a seductively sweet Kimber that will do anything I ask except miss.
Just after universal, basic rights issues, I'm all for property tax relief, just as soon as my citizenship is propped up. Campus carry, open carry, whatever can be reasonably done first, then we can talk about administrative issues like tax.
My reasoning is that if the colonists had reasoned with the British to repeal the Stamp Act, but at the cost of their militia and privately owned weapons, there would be no America.
I know. I sound like a kook. I'm harmless, I promise. Ease my property tax, ignore my gun. It will never speak unless spoken to.
Your fellow citizens voted for that particular tax increase.
Truth be told, if you're like most areas, the problem wasn't with those that were for the tax increase (bond), but rather those who didn't bother to show up. That's my biggest complaint about bond issues, the second is that the city/school district can use government funds to push the issue.
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Yeah. I know, but they are good people. Heck, they'd give you the shirt right off my back if you asked 'em.Your fellow citizens voted for that particular tax increase.
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SB 11 reported favorably w/o amendments.
Movement on this one, too.
Movement on this one, too.
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wonderfulJasonw560 wrote:SB 11 reported favorably w/o amendments.
Movement on this one, too.
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"Reported favorably w/o amendments"
Now to Calendars....
Now to Calendars....
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My bet is the Senate by a nose.
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DocV, I hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Looks like they're working late tonight.
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They'll go until at least midnight.C-dub wrote:Looks like they're working late tonight.