HB910/SB17 standoff

[mr1337]

While we wait for the children to play nice, some legal news from the 6th Circuit:

The Fourth Amendment and open carry of guns (where such open carry is legal)

While open-carry laws may put police officers (and some motorcyclists) in awkward situations from time to time, the Ohio legislature has decided its citizens may be entrusted with firearms on public streets. Ohio Rev. Code §§ 9.68, 2923.125. The Toledo Police Department has no authority to disregard this decision — not to mention the protections of the Fourth Amendment — by detaining every “gunman” who lawfully possesses a firearm. And it has long been clearly established that an officer needs evidence of criminality or dangerousness before he may detain and disarm a law-abiding citizen. We thus affirm the district court’s conclusion that, after reading the factual inferences in the record in Northrup’s favor, Officer Bright could not reasonably suspect that Northrup needed to be disarmed.

Wonder if the 5th Circuit has anything in the pipeline similar to this case.

Also, with that being said, it still doesn't address 4th Amendment protections in states where a license is needed to OC.

[Jason73]

Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

[Scott Farkus]

Dutton just asked a bunch of parliamentary inquiries on the House floor about germaneness rulings when bills come back from the Senate with amendments. No idea if that means anything or not, but it was interesting.

[safety1]

Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

[v7a]

Tweet:

"There is no deal to talk about," says @DBonnen, denying reports of one on tax cuts.

[safety1]

Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

Charles, any of this founded?
Thanks in advance!

[canvasbck]

Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

The article was updated at 3:47 to include this:

Rep. Charlie Geren, R-Fort Worth, reacting to the Houston Chronicle's report of the possible deal, said, "The train is off the track.

"There is some concern that some people are using the press to negotiate, and we're not going to negotiate that way. So, right now, there is no deal. There is none. Zero," Geren said. "The train is off the track at this point, because we don't negotiate in the newspaper. We negotiate between the House and the Senate."

the political drama over tax-cuts has grown more intense, with major bills reportedly held up in both chambers as the leadership jockeyed for position on tax relief, a political plum for the chamber that can claim credit for cutting taxes.

It's amazing what can get done when no one cares who gets the credit..........needs to be on a huge plaque inside of both chambers.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

Charles, any of this founded?
Thanks in advance!

I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

[safety1]

"There is some concern that some people are using the press to negotiate, and we're not going to negotiate that way. So, right now, there is no deal. There is none. Zero," Geren said. "The train is off the track at this point, because we don't negotiate in the newspaper. We negotiate between the House and the Senate."

Geren previously had expressed hope that a deal would be accomplished by Thursday but would not confirm word of the business- and property-tax details, saying numbers were fluid.

"I think we're going to get there," Geren said then, adding that negotiators were shooting for between $3 billion and $4 billion in tax relief.


Maybe this wasn't all bad!

[canvasbck]

Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

Charles, any of this founded?
Thanks in advance!

I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

100%, I'm even more disqusted with politicians than I was before...........and that's saying A LOT!

[Syntyr]

I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Chas, after the dust has settled would you give us the scoop on who was throwing wrenches into this session so that we can adjust our votes accordingly? Although at this point I am almost afraid it would have to vote for none of the above...

Thanks

[Charles L. Cotton]

I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Chas, after the dust has settled would you give us the scoop on who was throwing wrenches into this session so that we can adjust our votes accordingly? Although at this point I am almost afraid it would have to vote for none of the above...

Thanks

I'll be painfully candid. I am so mad now that I want to tell every single thing I know regardless who it hurts. When I cool down I'm certain I'll think better of that approach and be more of a statesman. I will not hesitate to point out the two guys most responsible, but that will hardly be a revelation.

Chas.

[canvasbck]

I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Chas, after the dust has settled would you give us the scoop on who was throwing wrenches into this session so that we can adjust our votes accordingly? Although at this point I am almost afraid it would have to vote for none of the above...

Thanks

I'll be painfully candid. I am so mad now that I want to tell every single thing I know regardless who it hurts. When I cool down I'm certain I'll think better of that approach and be more of a statesman. I will not hesitate to point out the two guys most responsible, but that will hardly be a revelation.

Chas.

Wild guess here, their names rhyme with Fatrick and Frausse.

Come shoot IDPA with us at BK Thursday Chas............blow off some steam.

[Ruark]

Two things:

1. If this is getting to be like two brats fighting on the playground, maybe it's time for Abbott to step in. I've read that he prefers to let the legislature work, and not meddle excessively with things, but if it gets to a certain point, he might need to come in and break some jaws.

2. Hopefully, it will be clearly communicated to Mutt and Jeff that whatever they decide, it will NOT be forgotten at election time.

At this point, should we still wait for a CTA, or should we saddle up and ride in?