HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably

[Judge]

People are going to say, do and try anything they can to prohibit, restrict, or otherwise prevent OC.


Just SAY'n.

There's a huge leap between "prohibit, restrict or otherwise prevent OC" and not want to see an OC runaway train that while it may reach it's destination as the OC supports want, has a huge chance of doing massive collateral damage.

A lot of people put in a lot of effort over a long time to get the CHL and start to get the ship turning in the right direction to have a renegade come along and drop a bomb that throws us back 20 years. I fully support OC, but not at the risk that HB2756 as written brings.

Well when is the jump forward coming? Another 20 years...Oh wait...it's almost been that long

[JKTex]

People are going to say, do and try anything they can to prohibit, restrict, or otherwise prevent OC.


Just SAY'n.

There's a huge leap between "prohibit, restrict or otherwise prevent OC" and not want to see an OC runaway train that while it may reach it's destination as the OC supports want, has a huge chance of doing massive collateral damage.

A lot of people put in a lot of effort over a long time to get the CHL and start to get the ship turning in the right direction to have a renegade come along and drop a bomb that throws us back 20 years. I fully support OC, but not at the risk that HB2756 as written brings.

Well when is the jump forward coming? Another 20 years...Oh wait...it's almost been that long

20 years for what? How many bills do you think should be worked each year, and expected to pass? Do you have a magic pixy stick that will align the stars such that timing is right and OC moves to the top of the list, above the likes of campus carry, employer parking lot etc.?

Have you talked with "your" State Representative and/or Senator about them representing what you want and getting a bill drafted? Or are you just pointing fingers at the elusive "them" who owe it to you? What have YOU done to advance OC responsibly? I hope you have a sense of humor.......keyboard commandoing doesn't count.

[Judge]

Jktex...WOW...Changing tatics I see..

Your Funny!!

[Bullwhip]

You might want to look at FLA. Things didn't go quite like they'd hoped, and they're actually still stuck with unintentional exposure being a crime. They are a good example of a poorly written bill as they got what they asked for, and it's not want they wanted.

The Florida law isnt' what FL Open Carry wrote and requested, it got amended every which way and wound up just opposite of what they wanted. Too many thumbs in that pot of soup.

I havnt' been on the forum in a couple of days, lot ofpages to catch up with. Somebody talked about people carrying illegally. I dont' have any proof but common sense and reading the news every day tells me theres a good chance there are more criminals illegally carrying guns on any given day than people with licenses. CHLs are less than 2% of the population and not all of them even carry all the time.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Pathfinder/Jim:
Could you answer my questions about the HB2756 and LSCDL?

Thanks,
Chas.

Jim, thanks for the post and I hope you are a LSCDL member who will share some information.

As an active member of LSCDL, I'm sure you have seen the post by jecsd1 here claiming that the open-carry bill written by someone with LSCDL, but after it was given to Rep. Lavender, it was somehow hijacked by an unidentified "League" of people that he clearly insinuates is either TSRA, NRA, or both. Since you are a Legislative Director of LSCDL, would you clear that up for folks here on TexasCHLforum? As JKTex posted, LSCDL claims that “they” wanted a constitutional carry bill, but “but [they] sniffed the wind and thought that we'd better save that for next session.” On OpenCarry.org, “MR Redneck” claims he wrote the bill and he also claims to be a member of LSCDL.

Here are my questions.

• Is it true that, as in the LSCDL quote posted by JKTex, that LSCDL presented Rep. Lavender with a licensed open-carry bill?
  If so, was that bill written by someone using the screen name “MR Redneck?” And who is “MR Redneck;” i.e. what is his real name?
  Does LSCDL support amending TPC §30.06 so that it applies to both open-carry and concealed-carry?

Thanks,
Chas.

I am a member of the Lone Star Citizen's Defense League, and I have been investing my time, and financial resources into the effort to restore respect for the right to bear arms in Texas that is declared in Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to be reserved to "every citizen" in Texas.

This RIGHT we talk about so much is constitutionally INVIOLATE (Article 1, Section 29) in that the Legislature may only regulate , by law, the CRIMINAL wearing of arms. We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are committed to pushing back against the Reconstruction Era policies of State government, and the Neo-Reconstructionists mentality that has over-stayed its welcome by 140 years in Texas.

I AM a CHL holder . The supporters of HB 2756 ARE predominantly CHL holders. This bill will become law , and the criminal penalty for intentional failure to conceal will be repealed because it is unconstitutional , and the majority in the Texas Legislature realizes that fact, and supports the bill. That means that the CHL holder will have the option of making his or her own determination as to whether to conceal or display for personal safety.

Armed entry into private premises commonly open to the public is a matter for the acountants of every business enterprise to determine. That private determination is deserving of the respect of all who choose to enter, and engage in commerce with them.

I testified in favor of HB 2756 before the Public Safety Subcommittee, along side two other LSCDL members, and three other CHL holders who traveled to Austin that day motivated by their conviction that the bill is good law and Texas needs it passed.

Gun Owners of America is in support of HB 2756 - as well as the committment of the Lone Star Citizen's League to restore the constitutional right to bear arms in Texas. Sadly, the NRA has been missing in action during this effort.Lone Star Citizen's Defense League is committed to assist in the legal defense of any member who is unlawfully charged with an offense under a Texas statute that runs counter to Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution. Is that not worth a membership fee?

We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are recruiting "Hard Chargers". The active members of LSCDL are using our own resources to advance the right to bear arms in Texas. We hope to attract others who are equally committed to the declaration of rights in Article 1 of the Texas Constitution . We don't want your membership fee. We want your passion , and committment to the cause of liberty. Check us out - if you want to do more than just talk about gun laws in Texas ?

Decide for yourself. Am I a "Troll" ?

My name is Jim Sherwood. I reside in Arlington, Texas, , and I am one of the legislative directors of Lone Star Citizen's Defense League.

http://www.gunowners.org/sa05052011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (click GOA STATE alerts box)

http://www.lonestarcdl.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Charles L. Cotton]

Pathfinder:
Could you answer these questions as well?

Thanks,
Chas.

We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are committed to pushing back against the . . . Neo-Reconstructionists mentality that has over-stayed its welcome by 140 years in Texas.

What do you mean by this and about whom are you talking?

This bill will become law . . .

Do you mean HB2756?

Lone Star Citizen's Defense League is committed to assist in the legal defense of any member who is unlawfully charged with an offense under a Texas statute that runs counter to Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution. Is that not worth a membership fee?

Coming from the Legislative Director for LSCDL, this is an impressive representation! How does this work? Does LSCDL provide an attorney, or does the LSCDL Member select his/her own attorney and LSCDL pays all of the legal fees?

Decide for yourself. Am I a "Troll" ?

For me, that will be determined in large part by whether you answer the questions in this post and in my preceding post. So far, no one with LSCDL has addressed any of the issues I raised, nor have any beside you identified themselves. You wrote a good post, but as someone else noted, it appears to be nothing more than a recruiting tool. Help us have more incite into LSCDL.

Chas.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Pathfinder:
You can ignore the second question as to whether someone going by the name "MR REDNECK" drafted the open-carry bill given to Rep. Lavender. MR REDNECK is none other than Lone Star Civil Defense League (LSCDL) President Shane McCrary of Odessa. So his claim on OpenCarry.org that he drafted the bill is probably accurate, though the claim that TSRA or NRA rewrote it is not.

Unfortunately, this means the LSCDL President is the same gentleman who posted on OpenCarry.org asking people to engage in a telephone harassment scheme directed at me at my law office (a violation of state and federal criminal statutes that I would pursue). The same gentleman who has been banned from TexasCHLforum, TexasGunTalk, and other boards (so I have been told), for multiple rule violations and personal attacks. This does not bode well for open-carry in Texas.

Chas.

Pathfinder/Jim:
Could you answer my questions about the HB2756 and LSCDL?

Thanks,
Chas.

Jim, thanks for the post and I hope you are a LSCDL member who will share some information.

As an active member of LSCDL, I'm sure you have seen the post by jecsd1 here claiming that the open-carry bill written by someone with LSCDL, but after it was given to Rep. Lavender, it was somehow hijacked by an unidentified "League" of people that he clearly insinuates is either TSRA, NRA, or both. Since you are a Legislative Director of LSCDL, would you clear that up for folks here on TexasCHLforum? As JKTex posted, LSCDL claims that “they” wanted a constitutional carry bill, but “but [they] sniffed the wind and thought that we'd better save that for next session.” On OpenCarry.org, “MR Redneck” claims he wrote the bill and he also claims to be a member of LSCDL.

Here are my questions.

• Is it true that, as in the LSCDL quote posted by JKTex, that LSCDL presented Rep. Lavender with a licensed open-carry bill?
  If so, was that bill written by someone using the screen name “MR Redneck?” And who is “MR Redneck;” i.e. what is his real name?
  Does LSCDL support amending TPC §30.06 so that it applies to both open-carry and concealed-carry?

Thanks,
Chas.

I am a member of the Lone Star Citizen's Defense League, and I have been investing my time, and financial resources into the effort to restore respect for the right to bear arms in Texas that is declared in Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to be reserved to "every citizen" in Texas.

This RIGHT we talk about so much is constitutionally INVIOLATE (Article 1, Section 29) in that the Legislature may only regulate , by law, the CRIMINAL wearing of arms. We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are committed to pushing back against the Reconstruction Era policies of State government, and the Neo-Reconstructionists mentality that has over-stayed its welcome by 140 years in Texas.

I AM a CHL holder . The supporters of HB 2756 ARE predominantly CHL holders. This bill will become law , and the criminal penalty for intentional failure to conceal will be repealed because it is unconstitutional , and the majority in the Texas Legislature realizes that fact, and supports the bill. That means that the CHL holder will have the option of making his or her own determination as to whether to conceal or display for personal safety.

Armed entry into private premises commonly open to the public is a matter for the acountants of every business enterprise to determine. That private determination is deserving of the respect of all who choose to enter, and engage in commerce with them.

I testified in favor of HB 2756 before the Public Safety Subcommittee, along side two other LSCDL members, and three other CHL holders who traveled to Austin that day motivated by their conviction that the bill is good law and Texas needs it passed.

Gun Owners of America is in support of HB 2756 - as well as the committment of the Lone Star Citizen's League to restore the constitutional right to bear arms in Texas. Sadly, the NRA has been missing in action during this effort.Lone Star Citizen's Defense League is committed to assist in the legal defense of any member who is unlawfully charged with an offense under a Texas statute that runs counter to Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution. Is that not worth a membership fee?

We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are recruiting "Hard Chargers". The active members of LSCDL are using our own resources to advance the right to bear arms in Texas. We hope to attract others who are equally committed to the declaration of rights in Article 1 of the Texas Constitution . We don't want your membership fee. We want your passion , and committment to the cause of liberty. Check us out - if you want to do more than just talk about gun laws in Texas ?

Decide for yourself. Am I a "Troll" ?

My name is Jim Sherwood. I reside in Arlington, Texas, , and I am one of the legislative directors of Lone Star Citizen's Defense League.

http://www.gunowners.org/sa05052011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (click GOA STATE alerts box)

http://www.lonestarcdl.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Purplehood]

I am starting to see the dangers of Open-carry. It apparently leads to negligent discharges into ones feet.

[Salty1]

I find this very interesting that a person who holds the top position at LSCDL, and ultimately needs the support of every Texas gun owner, would display the insulting antics that Mr. Redneck has on various forums. Pathfinder made some good points; unfortunately they have now fallen on deaf ears, credibility and trust for this organization has been forever lost through the actions of their president.

Although I am supportive of the cause the method of delivery is the deal breaker as far as any support to the leadership of the LSCDL group is concerned. It is now blatently obvious that they cannot be trusted to look out for anything but their own cause...... which does not include CHL holders and protecting the rights we currently have today…..

[74novaman]

the insulting antics that Mr. Redneck has on various forums.

His posts and general attitude towards Mr. Cotten is very disrespectful. I'm sure he' call me some kind of name for thanking Charles for all the work he's done, but Mr. Cotton has done FAR MORE to advance our gun rights in Texas than someone who posts lies online and belittles other defenders of our rights. That's not the type of person I want representing me or gun owners to the legislature.

[RttlTrap]

I am starting to see the dangers of Open-carry. It apparently leads to negligent discharges into ones feet.

[maxpower]

I am starting to see the dangers of Open-carry. It apparently leads to negligent discharges into ones feet.

very good

[JKTex]

A question, in light of all the issues that have been aired. Back to the bill which is already out of the gate, what is the responsible thing to do with it? Contact Rep. Lavender and ask for the bill to be amended such that it does not put the CHL holder at risk, or ask that he pull it all together in lieu of working with the appropriate folks to go at it better prepared during the next, or another session?

Since the bill is on the move, so far, it just seems that at this point, it needs to be the target of productive energy to make sure it moves forward responsibly, or has a suicide plan.

[74novaman]

A question, in light of all the issues that have been aired. Back to the bill which is already out of the gate, what is the responsible thing to do with it? Contact Rep. Lavender and ask for the bill to be amended such that it does not put the CHL holder at risk, or ask that he pull it all together in lieu of working with the appropriate folks to go at it better prepared during the next, or another session?

Since the bill is on the move, so far, it just seems that at this point, it needs to be the target of productive energy to make sure it moves forward responsibly, or has a suicide plan.

I personally don't think a thing needs to be done with it. It was introduced too late in the session to ever do much. Though if we manage to get parking lots and campus carry cleared this year (which is looking more likely tonight) We need to figure that out for the next session.

[sherlock7]

HB-2756 is a good bill and I hope it passes. Don't count it out just yet! There is still time. I plan to be on the phone tomorrow and will also sent emails. I will at least do my part! Hope everyone else does so too!