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Maybe the law needs to change.

If he was drinking and being there with a pistol. I would assume he was an-off duty Police Officer.

Beiruty wrote:If he was drinking and being there with a pistol. I would assume he was an-off duty Police Officer.

I'll take that bet.

The other two men and the unidentified customer with the gun fled the scene. Authorities are searching for them.

Nothing good happens at 2:30 am.

People in a bar need the God-given right to self defense restored, so long as they do not drink. I've been in bars to listen to live music on many occasions and I am a total non-drinker. I am not OK with drunk people carrying guns, but just because 51% of revenue comes from alcohol does not mean everyone in the place is a drunken fool.

I am also aware that there is no political consensus in Texas that agrees with my viewpoint.

Jumping Frog wrote:People in a bar need the God-given right to self defense restored, so long as they do not drink. I've been in bars to listen to live music on many occasions and I am a total non-drinker. I am not OK with drunk people carrying guns, but just because 51% of revenue comes from alcohol does not mean everyone in the place is a drunken fool.

I am also aware that there is no political consensus in Texas that agrees with my viewpoint.

I agree with you in principle. But what percentage of people in a bar does that represent? I ask because I don't ever recall being in an actual bar so I don't have a clue.

EJ's Place is a 51% location according to the TABC website. Will bet the person who was doing the shooting was not an off duty police officer OR a CHL holder since he took off.

I'm a former bartender. I had ONE regular who only drank coffee. I kept a pot for him all night. I don't remember many non-drinkers in the bar where I worked.

I'll bet there are a fair number of non drinkers, at least at the less 'dive' type establishments. Designated drivers.

gljjt wrote: Designated drivers.

Have the right to self defense as well.

philip964 wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 800877.php

Maybe the law needs to change.

There's no maybe about it. It should be obvious to anybody who thinks about it logically that 46.035 needs to go. The restrictions don't apply to cops on vacation, nor to unlicensed people with long guns. There is no logical reason to single out CHL for additional restrictions that don't apply to others.

Naturally, the Bloomberg disciples feel very strongly that CHL should be arbitrarily restricted. They are immune to logic.

gringo pistolero wrote:

philip964 wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 800877.php

Maybe the law needs to change.

There's no maybe about it. It should be obvious to anybody who thinks about it logically that 46.035 needs to go.

South Carlina, Tennessee, Ohio, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia and North Carolina have all fairly recently enacted laws allowing concealed carry in bars. They join the other approximately 40 states that allow concealed carry where alcohol is being served.

When Ohio passed concealed carry in liquor establishments in 2011, there was the usual ranting and raving about "blood in the streets" and drunks were going to cause out of control shootings. The same kind of arguments that get advanced in every state before it passed concealed carry.

Just like there was no blood in the streets after concealed carry passed, in states where carrying in liquor establishments passed there was simply a big non-event -- no troubles associated with law-abiding concealed handgun licensees in bars.

In fact, after Virgina passed their law, the crime rate in bars dropped a little over 5%.

According to this report the guy stayed every night until closing and then walked all the female bartenders to their cars. Sounds like he was there every night. I'm sure he knows he committed a felony. Maybe he's putting his affairs in order before turning himself in. Or maybe he's counting on the patrons never telling the police who he is.

Jumping Frog wrote:

gljjt wrote: Designated drivers.

Have the right to self defense as well.

Agree. My point was that just because you are in a bar, doesn't mean you are drinking / impaired / drunk.

baldeagle wrote:According to this report the guy stayed every night until closing and then walked all the female bartenders to their cars. Sounds like he was there every night. I'm sure he knows he committed a felony. Maybe he's putting his affairs in order before turning himself in. Or maybe he's counting on the patrons never telling the police who he is.

It is a sad commentary on Texas that the best way for them to thank the man who saved their lives is to "not remember" his name.