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Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:22 pm
by liberalwithagun
Well, I live next to the IRS building on hwys 35/71, brother in law woke us up saying people were breaking into vehicles. Long story short, they smashed the windows in on about 3-4 cars, ransacked them, then when the cops showed up they jumped in the getaway car and floored it. GUESS WHAT?! Austin PD isn't allowed to pursue them as per district policy, So they were about a block behind them, and dropped back (without getting a plate #) :banghead: Anyways, I've been seeing smashed windows around this neighborhood recently. Seemed to be 3 Black males, but realistically it was dark and they could have been latino or white with gloves, hoodies ect. Wife didn't want me pulling a Zimmerman, so I stayed just watching.... Assuming the police were allowed to do their job here......

Not to double on a police encounter post. When I walked up the the cop I said: "To get this out of the way, I am a CHL holder and *I looked down*", He replied: "Yea ok" Nothing more than that.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:41 am
by bauer
liberalwithagun wrote: Long story short, they smashed the windows in on about 3-4 cars, ransacked them, then when the cops showed up they jumped in the getaway car and floored it. GUESS WHAT?! Austin PD isn't allowed to pursue them as per district policy.
Thats not surprising after the heat that APD has caught recently. Seems like a large contingent here want to criticize their every move and make it as hard as possible for them to do their job.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:50 am
by 03Lightningrocks
I may be telling you something you already know but they have a very serious "hispanic gang" problem in Austin. They feast on naive college kids who are out of the house for the first time. My son went to UT for four years. The first apartment he had there was in the west campus area. The kid in the apartment behind his was shot in the head. Assassination style. He was selling drugs and made his suppliers mad. Then a week later, my sons window got smashed and his stereo stolen. I go down there to find out what is what. I see gang tagging all over the place around his apartment. Cops tell me it is a serious problem and the college kids are totally unaware of it. That was seven years ago. My cousin lives down there. He said it is worse now.

One more thing. I moved him into a different area that the cops said was not as bad. Got out of the lease based on the high risk neighborhood. My attorney owned the apartment leasing company attorney. I had vids of everything from blood all over the walkway to gang graffiti all over walls, garbage cans poles...you name it.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:33 am
by CHLLady
You need video cameras. It's ridiculous cops can't follow them. They should at least make the attempt to get id.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:21 am
by texanjoker
APD is damned if they do damned if they don't. The Austin media crucifies APD for anything they do. Depending on the time last night it was raining off and on, meaning wet roads make for dangerous conditions for a pursuit. It is hard to read a plate in the dark while chasing a car at high speeds. When you get close enough to read, some crooks then brake check you hoping you rear end them and set off your air bag, thus disabling the lead police unit. I can' blame them for not pursuing. If they were breaking into cars last night, they will tonight and tomorrow. They will get caught. I also say you made the right decision to not try and confront 3 suspects. I have responded to car burglaries where people have been murdered confronting the suspects and have personally been shot at by car burglars. They can be dangerous!

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:01 pm
by cb1000rider
texanjoker wrote:APD is damned if they do damned if they don't.
No doubt there.


I don't disagree with a no-pursuit policy over property damage or some other petty property theft,especially if the road conditions were bad... You know if they are breaking into cars that they're not going to stop and a pursuit is very risky for all involved, including the public... APD has been run up the pole before for pursuits that lead to public harm.... There is going to be a car crash at the end, which means more property damage.

Austin does have a gang problem. APD has a gang response unit.

Sorry that happened to you, Liberal.
FYI - I run 5 cameras at home. 4 outside one inside. I don't know if they'll help or not, but I hope someone notices.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:16 pm
by liberalwithagun
None of them were my vehicles luckily... it hadn't been raining that night either, and it is a bit on the outskirts of town with very little traffic. I completely understand both sides, just glad those guys probably won't be back to this neighborhood. This is exactly why I don't keep a trunk gun in my car....

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:58 pm
by sunny beach
It's no wonder some crime victims are finally realizing the only reliable way to get justice is to stand up and get it themselves.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:14 pm
by liberalwithagun
"...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

Due to the fact it wasn't my property I didn't feel comfortable going out there; If none of the victims granted me retroactive permission, I would be in hot water. However the fact Austin police will not pursue individuals in fact gives you more justification to protect your *own* property under:

TITLE 2. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY
SubSection 3.A "The land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means"

IE I know the police will not pursue the criminals per policy (recovery), in conjunction with numerous "no duty to protect" judgments (protection).

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However the fact of the matter, no matter what many liberals think, most people do not want to take a life (myself included). Blood does not run through the streets.

Here comes the liberal in me: Shooting people is not the answer, finding the root of the problem is the solution; Whether is a drug problem (legalize it all, lower the costs overnight, destroy the cartels, and let them get high in their dedicated gov't supervised crack dens), lack of education(Pay good teachers more), ect. The hilarious thing you hear from criminals is in fact they are stealing to pay court cost and fines! (Think about it, your stuck with a $4k-20k court/reparations bill, that is the largest thing you will ever "purchase" in your life)

Now the conservative: They should be glad it wasn't my car.......nuff said.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:58 pm
by sunny beach
liberalwithagun wrote:Here comes the liberal in me: Shooting people is not the answer, finding the root of the problem is the solution;
Sandbags are not the answer to flooding but until a long term solution is in place to prevent floods, sandbags are a reasonable response to the immediate problem of water threatening your property.

I know it's popular to blame poverty for crime, but many of our grandparents had less material possessions and worse housing conditions than the poor in the USA today. I think the real cause of the problem is a society that condones criminality and parasitism as "lifestyle choices" instead of social rot. If a family can come to the USA with little more than the clothes on their backs and speaking little to no English, and become solidly middle class in less than a generation, that tells me poverty is a product of culture and lifestyle, not lack of opportunity.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:05 pm
by liberalwithagun
sunny beach wrote:
liberalwithagun wrote:Here comes the liberal in me: Shooting people is not the answer, finding the root of the problem is the solution;
Sandbags are not the answer to flooding but until a long term solution is in place to prevent floods, sandbags are a reasonable response to the immediate problem of water threatening your property.

I know it's popular to blame poverty for crime, but many of our grandparents had less material possessions and worse housing conditions than the poor in the USA today. I think the real cause of the problem is a society that condones criminality and parasitism as "lifestyle choices" instead of social rot.

When our grandparents were young the inflation adjusted minimum wage was also $12+/hr. and gas was a Nickle a gallon. times are tougher no doubt . while history should be a reference point, it really cheats us to lust after it. new world, new solutions.

However, I do believe that some people are just bad seeds. to the contrary, I amazed some stronger people don't resort to crime when dealt an extremely bad hand.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:36 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
liberalwithagun wrote:When our grandparents were young the inflation adjusted minimum wage was also $12+/hr. and gas was a Nickle a gallon. times are tougher no doubt . while history should be a reference point, it really cheats us to lust after it. new world, new solutions.
Minimum wage is suppose to be a starting point. It is not suppose to put a person on equal pay with people who have skills. If you want to flip burgers your whole life that is your choice. Flipping burgers does not warrant all the finer things America has to offer. Work your way into something that pays better. Minimum wage was never capable of "paying for luxuries".

Here is math libtards don't seem to grasp. If a person can make 12 bucks an hour flipping burgers, then what does that make people who actually have real skills worth? If the pay rate for burger flippers, grass cutters, Walmart shopping guides ect. goes up 30% and everything else in the economy has to go up to achieve equilibrium. Next thing you know... Burger flipper will be crying they can't pay their bills on 12 bucks an hour. It will be funny when the burger flipper cannot afford a burger on 12 dollars an hour.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:08 pm
by liberalwithagun
None, well most, of us are not economists and we could argue this for hours. I remember having skilled jobs making $10/hr (making dentures and crowns). I now make significantly more due to my skill increasing, however me making on par to someone at In-and-Out or chipotle shows things are different.

no need to throw around the most unskilled jobs as examples. Something is certainly wrong, however we live in a global economy more now than ever and need to make sure we have the smartest people. there will always be losers.... however there is no need for them to be us lol (my view of economics)

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:38 pm
by mojo84
Poor APD. Hate to see them victimized like they are.

Re: Car Break-ins S Austin

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:43 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
liberalwithagun wrote:None, well most, of us are not economists and we could argue this for hours. I remember having skilled jobs making $10/hr (making dentures and crowns). I now make significantly more due to my skill increasing, however me making on par to someone at In-and-Out or chipotle shows things are different.

no need to throw around the most unskilled jobs as examples. Something is certainly wrong, however we live in a global economy more now than ever and need to make sure we have the smartest people. there will always be losers.... however there is no need for them to be us lol (my view of economics)
The reason I used the lowest level jobs is because that is the beginning of the chain. It was not meant as a insult.

Here is one fact of economics. The cost we pay for goods and services is directly proportional to the cost of manufacturing or providing those goods and services. Raise the cost of the labor, the price you and I pay goes up with it. Furthermore, if Walmart is forced to pay 12 instead of eight, this in turns means the denture maker person who was making ten, now has to be raised to 15 to keep everything on par. This is a chain that goes right up the ladder of all jobs or occupations, increasing the price of ALL goods and services, thus, canceling that raise you got.

In other words, it will not be an actual raise in the end. But it will convince folks like you to vote with your pocket book due to your lack of real world understanding on basic economics. The democrats feed off enslaving people who think they are owed something in life by offering them freebies.

One other thing you said that deserves mention. Take it from an old guy. Minimum wage has never provided a standard of living. No way in heck would minimum wage even be enough to pay the rent on a small apartment and all the other expenses of having a family. At least not since I was old enough to work.so things are not different from that aspect. What is different is we have a real lazy generation of people that were spoiled rotten by my generation. There seems to be a real sense of self entitlement amongst a lot of under thirty folks. We never expected to be supported by government regulation. We did not mind working and those of us that wanted more out of life worked harder to get it.