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The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:29 pm
by baldeagle
As everyone wrings their hands trying to figure out why someone would shoot lots of people and how we can prevent mass shootings, it occurs to me that there is a common denominator. Each time a shooter is identified and their background investigated, a disturbing pattern emerges. A troubled person who frightened some who knew him, who had run-ins with authorities and who had mental disturbances that either went completely untreated or poorly treated.
The common denominator? The authorities have let us done. Time and time again people in positions of power and influence ignore the signs that indicate that something is amiss and requires further investigation. In the case of Aaron Alexis specifically, there were numerous signs that something wasn't right. How he passed a background check to get a Secret clearance is a mystery, but decision makers clearly dropped the ball.
As our society declines more and more into the abyss of non-accountability, we can expect these occurrences to happen more frequently. Always something other than the "leaders" responsible for the failure will be blamed for the incident. And nothing will change.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:19 pm
by Cedar Park Dad
Lots of chances to input data into the existing NCIS which never seems to work.
The NCIS should have stopped this one at least.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:28 pm
by bdickens
You got that right. Everyone around these wackos knows they are a ticking time bomb yet no one will do anything about it.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:33 pm
by JALLEN
I worry that the peculiar dictates of what is known as political correctness is neutralizing the purpose of these heretofore seemingly prudent procedures.
The example of Major Hassan ought to cause real hand-wringing.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:11 pm
by SewTexas
well, we all know the Ft Hood and the Navy Yard body counts would have been lower if those military guys who are trained to carry weapons were allowed to carry weapons on base!!!
with regard to the other, I think HIPA laws prevent the sharing of the knowledge, I don't think even his mother could be told if she called the doctor...
Hmmm, didn't Clinton sign both of those laws, maybe HE"S the common denominator?
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:58 pm
by JALLEN
SewTexas wrote:
Hmmm, didn't Clinton sign both of those laws, maybe HE"S the common denominator?
From IBD:
Security: As the usual suspects call for stricter gun control, the fact remains that a gunman with two prior gun-crime arrests entered a secure military facility with a stolen ID and found no one able to shoot back.
It was Fort Hood all over again. Aaron Alexis, a gunman whose prior behavioral warning signs were ignored, opens fire in an installation belonging to the most powerful military on Earth and those who protect our nation and design our weapons are not allowed to have a weapon to defend themselves.
He was more equipped than the 12 people he killed on the base who were not permitted to carry weapons on the base, thanks to former President Bill Clinton.
In 1993 the president issued orders that barred members of the military and their civilian contractors from carrying personal firearms on base. Even officers were disarmed under the law.
Almost as soon as Clinton assumed office, in March 1993 the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection.
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Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:04 pm
by CHLLady
PIN. Gavin De Becker calls it Pre Incident indicators. He said every case has them. We are already seeing flags being raised about this individual.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:10 pm
by RJGold
JALLEN wrote:I worry that the peculiar dictates of what is known as political correctness is neutralizing the purpose of these heretofore seemingly prudent procedures.
The example of Major Hassan ought to cause real hand-wringing.
With all due respect JALLEN, he's been found guilty of murder and sentenced to death. I don't think we owe him the title of Major any more. He's a terrorist and we don't owe him any terms of respect due military officers.
My apologies for my bluntness, but the use of a rank he doesn't deserve really steams me.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:23 pm
by howdy
RJGold wrote:JALLEN wrote:I worry that the peculiar dictates of what is known as political correctness is neutralizing the purpose of these heretofore seemingly prudent procedures.
The example of Major Hassan ought to cause real hand-wringing.
With all due respect JALLEN, he's been found guilty of murder and sentenced to death. I don't think we owe him the title of Major any more. He's a terrorist and we don't owe him any terms of respect due military officers.
My apologies for my bluntness, but the use of a rank he doesn't deserve really steams me.
Actually, he is no longer a Major. He was stripped of his rank when found guilty.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:26 pm
by RJGold
howdy wrote:RJGold wrote:JALLEN wrote:I worry that the peculiar dictates of what is known as political correctness is neutralizing the purpose of these heretofore seemingly prudent procedures.
The example of Major Hassan ought to cause real hand-wringing.
With all due respect JALLEN, he's been found guilty of murder and sentenced to death. I don't think we owe him the title of Major any more. He's a terrorist and we don't owe him any terms of respect due military officers.
My apologies for my bluntness, but the use of a rank he doesn't deserve really steams me.
Actually, he is no longer a Major. He was stripped of his rank when found guilty.
My point exactly...(although I didn't need the court to tell me he didn't deserve to be called Major anymore)...
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:07 pm
by JALLEN
I guess that is right. Now it is more an identifier than a rank.
I suppose he would now be addressed or referred to as Dr. Hassan. He is a psychiatrist, for crying out loud.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:09 pm
by baldeagle
In reference to the Navy Yard shooting, Mark Levin said today, "We don't need gun control. We need nut control."
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:21 pm
by Pawpaw
Cedar Park Dad wrote:Lots of chances to input data into the existing NCIS which never seems to work.
The NCIS should have stopped this one at least.
I hope you meant "NICS". NCIS is the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.
It seems to me the real common denominator in mass shootings is gun-free zones.
Expecting the gooberment to fix things is how we got the mess we're in today. Instead, we need them to repeal all these stupid laws and let us (The People) take care of ourselves.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:38 pm
by Jaguar
JALLEN wrote:I guess that is right. Now it is more an identifier than a rank.
I suppose he would now be addressed or referred to as Dr. Hassan. He is a psychiatrist, for crying out loud.
I don't believe he is licensed to practice any longer - "inmate Hassan" would be correct, if we knew his number that would suffice as well.
Re: The Common Denominator in Mass Shootings
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:57 pm
by carlson1
Jaguar wrote:JALLEN wrote:I guess that is right. Now it is more an identifier than a rank.
I suppose he would now be addressed or referred to as Dr. Hassan. He is a psychiatrist, for crying out loud.
I don't believe he is licensed to practice any longer - "inmate Hassan" would be correct, if we knew his number that would suffice as well.
Should be "Dead Man Walking Hassan." The problem is we will keep him, meet all his medical needs, and feed him for years as he appeals and appeals.