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I am glad to see a federal jury with common sense! After reviewing the real evidence the jury correctly ruled that the shooting was not excessive force. As a result, the family and attorney will not receive the 1.5 million dollar pay day they wanted. The Austin media really tried to put a spin on this story.


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4:30 p.m. update: A federal jury has found that officer Nathan Wagner did not use excessive force the night he opened fire on a car moving out of an East Austin parking spot, wounding the driver and killing 20-year-old Byron Carter Jr.

It may get intersting since anti APD activist Buehler has posted his group will now

scrutinize police officers who associate with Wagner until Police Chief Art Acevedo fires him.

That has the makings of some harassment on the groups part. Keeping it wierd in Austin is something they take very serious here

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As I understand it, the car tried to run over the officer. The officer in turn fired his weapon in defense.

The lesson here is don't try to run over an officer with your car. Almost everyone knows that anyway, I guess the two idiots in the car didn't.

Also saw Nelson Lender on tv after the verdict saying the officer shot and murdered the innocent child for no reason. I wonder if Nelson would mind if I tried to run over him with my car.

eureka40 wrote: saying the officer shot and murdered the innocent child for no reason.

What child? The news report said the deceased was 20.

A 20 year old hasn't been a child in years.

Well, in light of a recent study that said men aren't grown up until about 43y ...

I'm kind of glad to see the city take it all the way to trial. my city gets a lawsuit like this and they settle every time.

I think the group "scrutinzing" the APD until the officer is fired is in store for some major dissapointment.

I think it is also good that it appears Chief Acevedo stood behind his officers.

A Police Chief standing up for his officers when they are right sometimes seems to be a lost character trait.

carlson1 wrote:I think it is also good that it appears Chief Acevedo stood behind his officers.

A Police Chief standing up for his officers when they are right sometimes seems to be a lost character trait.

I was glad to see him support them.

If the person was trying to mow down an officer.....what else could he do? And a 20 year old is not a child.

Let's hope there is a similarly reasonable jury willing to ignore community pressure while looking at facts being seated over in FL.

carlson1 wrote:I think it is also good that it appears Chief Acevedo stood behind his officers.

A Police Chief standing up for his officers when they are right sometimes seems to be a lost character trait.

Just because he did the right thing in this case, lets not be saying Chief Acevedo has any character.

Jumping Frog wrote:Let's hope there is a similarly reasonable jury willing to ignore community pressure while looking at facts being seated over in FL.

Those are 2 different cases. Here we had uniformed leo's that are paid to go out and be proactive. The FL case involves a normal citizen that went against the advice of the 911 system. It will be very interesting to see how that case ends up.

texanjoker wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Let's hope there is a similarly reasonable jury willing to ignore community pressure while looking at facts being seated over in FL.

Those are 2 different cases. Here we had uniformed leo's that are paid to go out and be proactive. The FL case involves a normal citizen that went against the advice of the 911 system. It will be very interesting to see how that case ends up.

paperchunker wrote:

carlson1 wrote:I think it is also good that it appears Chief Acevedo stood behind his officers.

A Police Chief standing up for his officers when they are right sometimes seems to be a lost character trait.

Just because he did the right thing in this case, lets not be saying Chief Acevedo has any character.

This.

texanjoker wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Let's hope there is a similarly reasonable jury willing to ignore community pressure while looking at facts being seated over in FL.

Those are 2 different cases. Here we had uniformed leo's that are paid to go out and be proactive. The FL case involves a normal citizen that went against the advice of the 911 system. It will be very interesting to see how that case ends up.

Two different cases, but Florida is hardly unclear. The PD investigated the case and under Florida law, determined that no crime was committed. A special prosecutor was appointed solely for political reasons and with a predetermined decision to prosecute. A grand jury did not see the case and the media has repeatedly used photos of Martin at an age much younger than on the night of his attack on a person who was not violating any law to prejudice public opinion.

Police dispatchers' "advice" is not a lawful order of a police officer. Zimmerman was not breaking the law when he was unlawfully attacked by Martin.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

texanjoker wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Let's hope there is a similarly reasonable jury willing to ignore community pressure while looking at facts being seated over in FL.

Those are 2 different cases. Here we had uniformed leo's that are paid to go out and be proactive. The FL case involves a normal citizen that went against the advice of the 911 system. It will be very interesting to see how that case ends up.

Two different cases, but Florida is hardly unclear. The PD investigated the case and under Florida law, determined that no crime was committed. A special prosecutor was appointed solely for political reasons and with a predetermined decision to prosecute. A grand jury did not see the case and the media has repeatedly used photos of Martin at an age much younger than on the night of his attack on a person who was not violating any law.

Police dispatchers' "advice" is not a lawful order of a police officer.

Chas.

The part about the media using older photos is all to common. Every day leading up to this APD trial they showed choir boy type photos trying to sway the jury.

While the dispatcher advice is not a lawful order, had he obeyed it vs trying to play cop he would not be in this position. A chl is for defense. It did not give him any authority to go out and confront this alleged suspicious person. IMO he made a bad decision. He decided to do that and look where it got him. It will be curious to see what the jury does when they hear all the facts vs what the media is playing for them.