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A recently laid off employee returns hours later and begins shooting...

This is why my boss wishes I could carry at work, but it's not up to him.

C-dub wrote:This is why my boss wishes I could carry at work, but it's not up to him.

I believe the death toll would have been much lower if an armed CHL holder were present.

Why the parents have to declare that the shooter had mental illness when he is already dead. That makes a psycho with access to handgun. Not good for all of us. Parents are not doctors, the shooter was only depressed and frustrated, a mad too.

Beiruty wrote:Why the parents have to declare that the shooter had mental illness when he is already dead. That makes a psycho with access to handgun. Not good for all of us. Parents are not doctors, the shooter was only depressed and frustrated, a mad too.

Most people with mental illnesses are not "psychos" and do not ever harm others. I see nothing wrong with the statement of the parents. They are not responsible for the shootings and they are just trying to cope with their grief by offering condolences to the families of the people that their son shot to death. I couldn't ask them for anything more.

WildBill wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Why the parents have to declare that the shooter had mental illness when he is already dead. That makes a psycho with access to handgun. Not good for all of us. Parents are not doctors, the shooter was only depressed and frustrated, a mad too.

Most people with mental illnesses are not "psychos" and do not ever harm others. I see nothing wrong with the statement of the parents. They are not responsible for the shootings and they are just trying to cope with their grief by offering condolences to the families of the people that their son shot to death. I couldn't ask them for anything more.

I know, but Antis will grab this story and make it a cause to ban more handguns or restrict our rights

Beiruty wrote:

WildBill wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Why the parents have to declare that the shooter had mental illness when he is already dead. That makes a psycho with access to handgun. Not good for all of us. Parents are not doctors, the shooter was only depressed and frustrated, a mad too.

Most people with mental illnesses are not "psychos" and do not ever harm others. I see nothing wrong with the statement of the parents. They are not responsible for the shootings and they are just trying to cope with their grief by offering condolences to the families of the people that their son shot to death. I couldn't ask them for anything more.

I know, but Antis will grab this story and make it a cause to ban more handguns or restrict our rights

True, but they'll do that anyway, for any number of reasons, having little or nothing to do with mass murders: because Burt wore a purple shirt on Tuesday; because they found a dead earthworm on their walkway; because they have a sinus headache; because they dont like gazebos; because they don't like plaid; because their socks are too tight; because puppies make them sad; because somewhere, someone is having fun with a gun.

I keep an eye on them the same way I make sure I know where all the snakes in the room are, but I may them no more mind than that.

I wish I didn't work in a "secured area". I can't even have a pocket knife. I see stuff like this and wonder how long until I'm the guy huddled in his cube waiting to get shot. *sigh*

Reds45ACP wrote:I wish I didn't work in a "secured area". I can't even have a pocket knife. I see stuff like this and wonder how long until I'm the guy huddled in his cube waiting to get shot. *sigh*

Disarm the crazed shooter and shoot him with his own handgun. This is what I do.

TXPPQ wrote:I believe the death toll would have been much lower if an armed CHL holder were present.

Anyone who was affected and would have otherwise legally carried there but didn't due to company policy should be filing a lawsuit.

Reds45ACP wrote:I wish I didn't work in a "secured area". I can't even have a pocket knife. I see stuff like this and wonder how long until I'm the guy huddled in his cube waiting to get shot. *sigh*

If you were ever in that predicament, I say your employer is responsible and should be held accountable.

Since companies mostly care about liability, perhaps the precedent set would encourage them to not play "God" by interfering with state and local laws.

One of these days I'll have to post about how we are trained to handle an active shooter at our workplace. Here is a preview

steve817 wrote:One of these days I'll have to post about how we are trained to handle an active shooter at our workplace. Here is a preview

Well I would assume that if they chose to stand in the way of the Second Ammendment and state/local laws, they would be providing top-notch security and protection.

/sarcasm

Reds45ACP wrote:I wish I didn't work in a "secured area". I can't even have a pocket knife. I see stuff like this and wonder how long until I'm the guy huddled in his cube waiting to get shot. *sigh*

Have something, anything, (even a can of soda can be lethal if thrown) that can be used as a projectile or a club. Bring in an "autographed baseball" and put it on display. A multitool is better than nothing. A screwdriver makes a great weapon. Be creative, think, have a plan. Surely your office has chairs, they can be used as clubs. Do you take your lunch? Bring a decent kitchen knife to cut your lunch with.......Some of these things might not work for you but just think, and figure it out. Don't cower and wait for your bullet, your family is counting on you. Take action....that is your best bet to survive.

Or in the words of Edna from the Incredibles (adusted slightly)......"What are you talking about? Pull yourself together! You are a US citizen! .......FIGHT! WIN! Then call me when you are done darling, I like our little chats."

mamabearCali wrote: Have something, anything, (even a can of soda can be lethal if thrown) that can be used as a projectile or a club. Bring in an "autographed baseball" and put it on display. A multitool is better than nothing. A screwdriver makes a great weapon. Be creative, think, have a plan. Surely your office has chairs, they can be used as clubs. Do you take your lunch? Bring a decent kitchen knife to cut your lunch with.......Some of these things might not work for you but just think, and figure it out. Don't cower and wait for your bullet, your family is counting on you. Take action....that is your best bet to survive.

This sentence should be added:

"If you have taken the steps to become a CHL, you are an invaluable asset in these situations. Note that you should proclaim that fact to managment and co-workers unless the need arises"

I could not agree with you more RP, employers need to realize by having anti-chl policies they accomplish little more than to turn their employees into potential victims. While I do understand that some employers need to have such policies in order to be insured, they should not just blindly comply. I am sure there are some pro-gun insurance companies out there and even if they do have to pay a little more isn't the safety of their staff worth it. I'm betting that if the owner had survived this tragic ordeal his first order of business would be to change the company policy.