Horseplay With Loaded Gun Kills Mechanic

[Kawabuggy]

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I heard about this this morning from the place I buy parts. I'm in the transmission business as well.

The story I hear was supposedly told by the shooter, to the guy I buy my parts from. Here's what I was told. Shooter is a CHL holder with a 1911 (.45ACP). Apparently the co-worker was poking him with a knife in an attempt to play around. For some reason that is not yet clear, the CHL holder pulled a gun and was showing it to the other guys (3 people other than the CHL in the room at the time). The guy that had the knife supposedly grabbed ahold of the barrel of the gun as the CHL holder was holding it. The shootee then pulled the gun towards himself and it was at this point that somehow the gun discharged striking the shootee at point blank range.

The shootee went down and bled to death in just a few minutes. Everyone's story was the same, that they were just playing around and the gun discharged. Now, 2 lives are ruined. 1 man is dead, and the other will have to live with this the rest of his life. Not to mention any potential civil action that may be brought against him by the family of the deceased.

I can't begin to understand why you would pull a loaded gun, with the hammer cocked, and the safety off, and then "play" with it in the presence of other people, and part of that "play" included pointing it at someone else. Supposedly the police questioned everyone and released the CHL holder as it was apparently an "accident". Playing with a loaded gun, that is cocked, with the safety off, while pointing it at someone is not an accident. It's criminal negligence at the least, or involuntary manslaughter, or homicide at the worst. Anyway, that's the story I heard as it was supposedly told by the actual shooter to another. Don't know what is fact, and what is not.

I also just talked to the guy that delivers my torque converters. He was telling me that he had heard a little more about the story and that the shootee was shot directly through the heart at point blank range. Again, I can't confirm, nor deny, any of this as I'm just hearing about it second-hand. Be safe out there.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

The general level of our discourse on various subjects on the forum tends to reflect
thoughtfulness, self-control, and good citizenship on the part of the regulars.

But a story like this brings up the unsettling reality that just because someone met the legal requirements to
get their CHL, it doesn't mean that they automatically use "best practices" in their gun handling. He may have
been a CHL, but without the safety mindset. Sheesh.

SIA

[A-R]

The general level of our discourse on various subjects on the forum tends to reflect
thoughtfulness, self-control, and good citizenship on the part of the regulars.

But a story like this brings up the unsettling reality that just because someone met the legal requirements to
get their CHL, it doesn't mean that they automatically use "best practices" in their gun handling. He may have
been a CHL, but without the safety mindset. Sheesh.

SIA

Very well stated

[GWE Chally]

To me this begs the question of how he was holding the gun. The 1911 has a palm safety (Unless it was not operating correctly), if he was pulling the gun toward himself, the way I picture it, he would be relieving the pressure on the palm safety...

And what ever happened to "indexing". I feel bad for the CHL, but sometimes Darwin wins.

[The Annoyed Man]

To me this begs the question of how he was holding the gun. The 1911 has a palm safety (Unless it was not operating correctly), if he was pulling the gun toward himself, the way I picture it, he would be relieving the pressure on the palm safety...

And what ever happened to "indexing". I feel bad for the CHL, but sometimes Darwin wins.

"Grip safety," not "palm safety," but anyway.....I own 1911's and if someone was pulling on the barrel, I would squeeze the grip even harder to retain the gun. So I don't see that this would necessarily allow the grip safety to be released.

The bigger problem, aside from the terminal stupidity of playing with a gun like that, is that the CHL didn't keep his booger hook off the bang switch until he was ready to fire.............so apparently the safety between his ears had been disengaged too.

[Oldgringo]

The general level of our discourse on various subjects on the forum tends to reflect
thoughtfulness, self-control, and good citizenship on the part of the regulars.

But a story like this brings up the unsettling reality that just because someone met the legal requirements to
get their CHL, it doesn't mean that they automatically use "best practices" in their gun handling. He may have
been a CHL, but without the safety mindset. Sheesh.

SIA

Very well stated

Nor does he have the mature sense of responsibility that should come with a Texas CHL. Not everyone should have a gun, drive a car, vote and certainly should not breed.

[RPB]

Grip safety, thumb safety and internal drop safety firing pin safety safety things on 1911s make them safe
Someone should sue Glock
wait, never mind

[jmra]

Surely someone will find a way to blame this on a Glock. Doesn't every ND involve a Glock?

On edit - looks like RPB and I were typing at the same time.

[OldCurlyWolf]

Why is nobody remarking that the IDIOT with the knife contributed greatly to his own demise.

Don't poke at me with a knife, even playfully. I take great offense at such such stupidity.

My opinion is the idiot with the knife died of a case of being terminally stupid. And the other person isn't too far behind him on the stupid scale.

[WildBill]

Why is nobody remarking that the IDIOT with the knife contributed greatly to his own demise.

Don't poke at me with a knife, even playfully. I take great offense at such such stupidity.

My opinion is the idiot with the knife died of a case of being terminally stupid. And the other person isn't too far behind him on the stupid scale.

Threatening deadly force is not a joking matter.

[C-dub]

Why is nobody remarking that the IDIOT with the knife contributed greatly to his own demise.

Don't poke at me with a knife, even playfully. I take great offense at such such stupidity.

My opinion is the idiot with the knife died of a case of being terminally stupid. And the other person isn't too far behind him on the stupid scale.

I am just now getting to this thread and was thinking about it, but you beat me to the poke.

[anygunanywhere]

People using knives in improper manner is quite common. We in this community are probably more aware of the inappropriateness of such incidents than the average person.

I know of an instance of an individual being terminated for multiple incidents involving women where he worked. One of the incidents was him jokingly going after one with a carving knife.

When these events occur the perps need to have the blades placed where they use them as rudders.

Anygunanywhere

[WildBill]

People using knives in improper manner is quite common. We in this community are probably more aware of the inappropriateness of such incidents than the average person.

Even though it was again the corporate weapons policy, I used to work at a place where most of the mechanics and technicians carried folders. One time I observed a guy pulling out his knife and "threaten" a co-worker "in a joking manner." Since the weapons policy also included handguns, none of the CHL holders at the company were armed so the guy wasn't shot.

[SRH78]

There is plenty of blame for the both of them.

[gigag04]

Why is nobody remarking that the IDIOT with the knife contributed greatly to his own demise.

Don't poke at me with a knife, even playfully. I take great offense at such such stupidity.

My opinion is the idiot with the knife died of a case of being terminally stupid. And the other person isn't too far behind him on the stupid scale.

Threatening deadly force is not a joking matter.

Agreed - in my work, we limit our playing to pepper spray and TASER threats