Man who brandished gun at convenience store arraigned

[barstoolguru]

Christopher George Page was charged with unlawfully carrying a weapon on licensed premises. Justice of the Peace Garland Potvin arraigned Page on Thursday, setting his bail at $20,000.

sounds like he didn't have a CHL, this is the only reason I can think of why he got arrested for brandishing a gun


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[WildBill]

Christopher George Page was charged with unlawfully carrying a weapon on licensed premises. Justice of the Peace Garland Potvin arraigned Page on Thursday, setting his bail at $20,000.

He was arrested for carrying past the blue sign without a CHL. If he had a CHL he could have been charged with intentionally exposing his handgun.

[C-dub]

I know that you are aware that there is no law against "brandishing" in Texas and that's why you came to your conclusion that he was arrested for the unlicensed possession of a weapon on those premises. The news story also got it wrong, because they say, "It is illegal to bring a gun inside Handy Grocery because the store sells alcohol." They just didn't mention that it was legal for a CHL unless a 30.06 sign is posted.

Now, in some way I am a little bit thankful that the news agency usually gets this wrong. It keeps much of the unaware public from knowing about 30.06 so that other store owners won't put one up. I think if they included this information in these type of articles that we would see a slight increase in their postings. So, sometimes I don't mind when they leave out some of the details. One problem I can think of that it does create is for new licensees. It confuses some of them, but then they end up here looking for answers, which isn't a bad thing.

[C-dub]

Christopher George Page was charged with unlawfully carrying a weapon on licensed premises. Justice of the Peace Garland Potvin arraigned Page on Thursday, setting his bail at $20,000.

He was arrested for carrying past the blue sign without a CHL. If he had a CHL he could have been charged with intentionally exposing his handgun.

While I was busy typing, WildBill got that part covered.

[barstoolguru]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

[WildBill]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

This is the "blue sign" that I am referring to. I am sure that you have seen it. It warns that an unlicensed person [ie. non-CHL] can not carry a weapon onto the premises. This sign is posted at almost every supermarket, grocery store, convenience store, and every liquor store in the state of Texas.



The clerk does not own or have control of the private property so he can not authorize any person to open carry or "unconceal" their handgun.

[barstoolguru]

12.What signs are required to be posted at an on-premises establishment such as a?


Four signs are required to be posted at an on-premises retail establishment:
•Weapons Warning Sign - If alcohol sales constitute less than half of gross receipts, the required sign says: "It is unlawful to carry a weapon on the premises unless the person is licensed to carry the weapon under the concealed handgun law." If alcohol sales constitute more than half of gross receipts, the signs have 51% in large red letters superimposed over the warning which notes that possession of a concealed weapon on the premises is a felony.
•Public Interest Information Sign - If you have a complaint about the sale or service of alcoholic beverages in this establishment, please contact the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, PO Box 13127, Austin, Texas 78711-3127, or phone 1-888-THE-TABC.
•National Human Trafficking Hotline Number (English and Spanish) - WARNING: Obtaining forced labor or services is a crime under Texas law. Call the national human trafficking hotline: 1-888-373-7888. You may remain anonymous. (Restaurants that hold a Food and Beverage Certificate are exempt from this requirement.)
•Health Risk Warning Sign: Warning of the dangers associated with drinking alcoholic beverages during pregnancy. Visit our Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders page for more information.

Thanks; I was thinking that a blue sign was a bar or restaurant sign for consumption of alcohol when the place couldn't place a .51 sign up I didn't know it was for off premises sales too

[Keith B]

12.What signs are required to be posted at an on-premises establishment such as a?


Four signs are required to be posted at an on-premises retail establishment:
•Weapons Warning Sign - If alcohol sales constitute less than half of gross receipts, the required sign says: "It is unlawful to carry a weapon on the premises unless the person is licensed to carry the weapon under the concealed handgun law." If alcohol sales constitute more than half of gross receipts, the signs have 51% in large red letters superimposed over the warning which notes that possession of a concealed weapon on the premises is a felony.
•Public Interest Information Sign - If you have a complaint about the sale or service of alcoholic beverages in this establishment, please contact the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, PO Box 13127, Austin, Texas 78711-3127, or phone 1-888-THE-TABC.
•National Human Trafficking Hotline Number (English and Spanish) - WARNING: Obtaining forced labor or services is a crime under Texas law. Call the national human trafficking hotline: 1-888-373-7888. You may remain anonymous. (Restaurants that hold a Food and Beverage Certificate are exempt from this requirement.)
•Health Risk Warning Sign: Warning of the dangers associated with drinking alcoholic beverages during pregnancy. Visit our Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders page for more information.

Thanks; I was thinking that a blue sign was a bar or restaurant sign for consumption of alcohol when the place couldn't place a .51 sign up I didn't know it was for off premises sales too

Basically, businesses that sell alcohol in any form must have one of two signs; 51% or Unlicensed Possession sign. If they make more than 51% of their income from sale of alcohol for on-premise consumption, then they must post a 51% sign. All others must post the Unlicensed Possession sign.

[Heartland Patriot]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

Northeasterner? Just curious because that's what they called liquor stores in NJ and Pennsylvania when I was stationed up there.

[WildBill]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

Northeasterner? Just curious because that's what they called liquor stores in NJ and Pennsylvania when I was stationed up there.

Funny. When I read that I was thinking "big box store" and was wondering what he was talking about.

[RPB]

License #: BQ715636

Trade Name: HANDY STOP GROCERY
Owner: KIM, MYONG HUI
Location Address:
426 GILMER STREET
KILLEEN , TX 76541
Mailing Address:
426 GILMER ST
KILLEEN , TX 76541
County: Bell Orig. Issue Date: 2/25/2009
Status: Current Exp. Date: 2/24/2014
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 254 634-7117 Gun Sign: BLUE

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[barstoolguru]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

Northeasterner? Just curious because that's what they called liquor stores in NJ and Pennsylvania when I was stationed up there.

Yea some things you just can't shake even after 35 years. NJ is different because you can be in a bar and get a beer to go and it does not have to be a store. Hence the tern "packaged goods" because that made it legal to carry beer outside. It is illegal to carry beer out of a bar or liquor store without a bag.

Here is a kick in the pants in New Hampshire you can only buy hard liquor from a state run store and they are on the interstates hwys. On your way home; stop off and get a fifth of Jack Daniels on I-95 but break the seal go to jail

[WildBill]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

Northeasterner? Just curious because that's what they called liquor stores in NJ and Pennsylvania when I was stationed up there.

Yea some things you just can't shake even after 35 years.

Busted!

[Oldgringo]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

This is the "blue sign" that I am referring to. I am sure that you have seen it. It warns that an unlicensed person [ie. non-CHL] can not carry a weapon onto the premises. This sign is posted at almost every supermarket, grocery store, convenience store, and every liquor store in the state of Texas.



The clerk does not own or have control of the private property so he can not authorize any person to open carry or "unconceal" their handgun.

Hey Bill, You didn't intentionally leave out Wal-Mart, Sam's and Costco, did you?

[RPB]

I have been to a number of package stores and have never seen a blue sign posted anywhere so why would this store be any different and what do the blue sign restrict. The article mentions nothing about a posting (but I have seen white signs saying no guns w/o a lic) and if the clerk asked to see the gun ON private property would that have made a difference

This is the "blue sign" that I am referring to. I am sure that you have seen it. It warns that an unlicensed person [ie. non-CHL] can not carry a weapon onto the premises. This sign is posted at almost every supermarket, grocery store, convenience store, and every liquor store in the state of Texas.



The clerk does not own or have control of the private property so he can not authorize any person to open carry or "unconceal" their handgun.

Hey Bill, You didn't intentionally leave out Wal-Mart, Sam's and Costco, did you?

And the majority of restaurants, if they sell alcohol with food. (If under 51% of their sales is determined by the TABC to be from alcohol sales for on-premise consumption)