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St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:45 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... police-bar

The above article details the double murder of 2 brothers, 21 and 23 years old, by a 27 year old man.
This happened at a "4 beers for a dollar" biker bar in St. Cloud, Osceola County, Florida (close to Disney World).

The 3 men had all gone to St. Cloud High School. They fought in the bar, were kicked out, and then fought again
in the parking lot. The 27 year old left in his vehicle for 20 minutes, then returned to the bar.

The 3 fought again. At this point the 27 year old produced a .40 Glock and opened up on the brothers. They fell
wounded, then he stood over them and finished them off until his gun was empty. Police recovered 13 shell casings.
The dead men's mother had also gone to the bar with them, and as she stood over her dying sons, the shooter
asked if "she wanted some too".

Patrons of the bar then disarmed him and beat him severely before police arrived to arrest him for double murder.

Jason Clair, the shooter, is now claiming to be in the right due to Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.
This is ridiculous. He simply murdered the brothers who beat him in a bar fight, after leaving the scene
for 20 minutes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2 ... ouse-video

The above link is only 38 seconds long and shows the 2 families (shooter and victims') brawling at the Kissimme, FL
courthouse. Multiple men ganged up on the man in the black suit and the man in the red shirt was taken away
by KFD to the hospital to check out a possible broken jaw. The men arrested were father/stepfather of the
victims/shooter.

The Zimmerman/Travon Martin does have a potentially accurate defense under "Stand Your Ground", but the Jason
Clair case does not.

The "Guardian" newspaper had another long text story about the crime that included pix of the dead brothers (while alive)
and of Jason Clair's mugshot, but unfortunately it seems to have been deleted in the short time I've been composing
this OP.

SIA

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:50 pm
by puma guy
Kinda like the accident defense "He stumbled into my knife 26 times".

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:20 pm
by Rex B
Seems like a nice bunch of folks :eek6

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:48 pm
by Oldgringo
Rex B wrote:Seems like a nice bunch of folks :eek6
Yep, next time you go to Disney World, go on down to Kissimmee and the Lake Tohopekaligia area and check out Osceola County and its surroundings. There is a whole lot of rural country in Florida...or used to be, when we lived next door to Disney World in the mid 80's.

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:09 pm
by Hoosier Daddy
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:The dead men's mother had also gone to the bar with them, and as she stood over her dying sons, the shooter asked if "she wanted some too".
I'm afraid to ask.

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:50 pm
by barstoolguru
"I was coming out the door as the last gunshots were fired," said Collins, the EMT-firefighter. " 'Their mom ran out and she was picking up her son J.J. when [Clair] said, 'Do you want some too, [expletive]?'

this guy is going away for a while

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:17 pm
by Oldgringo
barstoolguru wrote:"I was coming out the door as the last gunshots were fired," said Collins, the EMT-firefighter. " 'Their mom ran out and she was picking up her son J.J. when [Clair] said, 'Do you want some too, [expletive]?'

this guy is going away for a while
Heck fire! They're probably all related?

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:57 pm
by puma guy
Oldgringo wrote:
barstoolguru wrote:"I was coming out the door as the last gunshots were fired," said Collins, the EMT-firefighter. " 'Their mom ran out and she was picking up her son J.J. when [Clair] said, 'Do you want some too, [expletive]?'

this guy is going away for a while
Heck fire! They're probably all related?
Family tree is a telephone pole??? :lol:

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:55 pm
by barstoolguru
those two boys whooped him good, I seen a pic of him at his booking and he looked like he was in a car wreck.

Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:37 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
barstoolguru wrote:those two boys whooped him good, I seen a pic of him at his booking and he looked like he was in a car wreck.
Keep in mind that the murderer received a beating from the crowd after his Glock was empty.

The crowd wasn't happy that he had murdered the 2 brothers and they gave him quite a bit of "what fer" before "50" arrived.

SIA