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The above link is to the latest issue of American Handgunner magazine, and contains the first page (page 20) of
an article by Mr. Massad Ayoob, detailing the intentional release of scores of wild animals in Zanesville, Ohio on
October 18,2011.

I listed this under "Crime Blotter" since a BG caused this mess, which LEO's had to clean up.

The article continues on page 74. Just input the page number at the top or hit the ">" to move ahead.
There is also a button at the top of the page you can use to enlarge the font size.

The owner of the wild animals (lions, tigers, bears, wolves) intentionally opened the cages of his large array of
wild predators. He committed suicide with a .357 revolver to the head.

As the wild animals started roaming the neighborhood, the Muskingum County Sheriff's Department took decisive
action to kill the animals ASAP.

The weapons used on the animals included a Glock 22 in .40 with 185 grain ammo, M4's (.223), a shotgun, a
7MM rifle, as well as .308 rifles. The LEO's estimated that they had to put 20-30 rounds of .223 into the big cats
to put them down, as well as kill them. Lions can weigh 400 pounds. Some other big cats can weigh 580 lbs.

No one was mauled or killed by the wild animals. The LEO's did a fine job. I didn't realize that it was so hard
to kill these animals, even with multiple rounds.

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As an aside, I think it's very nice of American Handgunner magazine to make their whole magazine available online to
web surfers who don't have a subscription.

SIA

You can hear Mas's interviews with the involved officers on the ProArms podcast
http://proarmspodcast.com/2012/01/15/li ... ars-oh-my/

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:I didn't realize that it was so hard to kill these animals, even with multiple rounds.

There's a reason why calibers like .375 H&H Magnum are considered a minimum caliber for African Safari.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:As an aside, I think it's very nice of American Handgunner magazine to make their whole magazine available online to
web surfers who don't have a subscription.

I think they must make as much money of the web advertising as they do off the magazine. I've got years of issues in PDF format for both American Handgunner and Guns.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:I didn't realize that it was so hard to kill these animals, even with multiple rounds.

There's a reason why calibers like .375 H&H Magnum are considered a minimum caliber for African Safari.

will 338 Lupa do the job?

The Annoyed Man wrote:

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:I didn't realize that it was so hard to kill these animals, even with multiple rounds.

There's a reason why calibers like .375 H&H Magnum are considered a minimum caliber for African Safari.

Yeah, the police are usually after two legged prey. Something with four legs that is more than twice our mass and higher muscle density and that can move much faster is not something most LEOs are equipped to hunt.

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Firefighters sometimes receive calls out to get cats out of trees. But what happens when they get calls about a tiger on a roof?

Beiruty wrote:
will 338 Lupa do the job?

Yes! If you do yours.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:I didn't realize that it was so hard to kill these animals, even with multiple rounds.

The problem is animals don't watch TV, go to movies and read books. They don't know that getting shot once will knock you through a brick wall and devastate a half of a city block. Their survival instincts aren't influenced by the media. A determined human attacker will take several hits to stop them if not hit in the central nervous system. If you see it on TV or in the movies it's probably entertainment not training.

Speaking of cats being rescued from trees by the fire department:

Why is this done?

I have NEVER seen a cat skeleton in a tree. :-)

SIA

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Speaking of cats being rescued from trees by the fire department:

Why is this done?

I have NEVER seen a cat skeleton in a tree. :-)

SIA

LOL! It's something that the old ladies with their pet pussy who are afrain that the kitty will spend the nite in the tree... We have 3 outdoor cats (mousers) they willo periodically run up a tree and back down (mix sharp claws with rough bark on a tree and you have a perfect "ladder")...lol.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Speaking of cats being rescued from trees by the fire department:

Why is this done?

I have NEVER seen a cat skeleton in a tree. :-)

SIA

...thanks for my belly laugh of the day!!!!

This reminded me of a situation I once found myself in and brings to mind a couple of questions.

Many years ago, driving along a country road, I came upon an accident and stopped to see if I could help. A guy had hit a deer . There was some front end damage to the car but no one was hurt except the deer. The animals’ back was broken, it was in a panic and trying to get away. It managed to get it’s front legs under it and was dragging it’s back legs struggling to get away. I had decided to put it down but a Deputy Sherriff arrived and eventually shot it. I didn’t even think about the legal issues at the time. I just felt so bad for the animal I would have shot it had LE not arrived.

Questions; what would have been the legal ramifications? I know in South Texas most LEOs would not have any problems with it.

Where and at what angle would it be best to shoot a deer with a .45 to end it’s suffering quickly and humanely? A cow? A horse?

VoiceofReason wrote:Where and at what angle would it be best to shoot a deer with a .45 to end it’s suffering quickly and humanely? A cow? A horse?

I'd imagine that any shot that penetrates well into the brain cavity would count. <— Standard Disclaimer Applies

It is my understanding that if you aim from one ear canal to opposite eye, or eye to ear, it will most always be a single fatal shot through the brain. Also the base of the skull on any animal contains the brain stem. I have personally never had issues using these methods even when using a caliber that's typicaly considered too small for the critter.

Beiruty wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:I didn't realize that it was so hard to kill these animals, even with multiple rounds.

There's a reason why calibers like .375 H&H Magnum are considered a minimum caliber for African Safari.

will 338 Lupa do the job?

Possibly, yes.