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Breaking ... not on the News yet:

Officer is a unknown park ranger PCSD will set up command post. No news helicopters suspect armed with long rifle not in custody.

Officer down, information just coming in. Stay out of area suspect armed with a long rifle on foot.

Don't know condition of officer we are still responding. Happened in mt rainier national park. Numerous units in route.

PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
More to follow I am on my way. Troyer

PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
Media meet me at entrance to park
4 minutes ago
PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
Change media loc,ation to the parks admin building 3 miles out of the town of Elbe. Do not go further shots fired.


PierceSheriff Detective Ed Troyer
Down officer not extracted yet..


From Detective Ed Troyer
https://twitter.com/?iid=am-21278698941 ... rceSheriff" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

@PierceSheriff Pierce County WA USA
Media Relations / Public Information Officer for the Pierce County Sheriff's Department. Executive Director, Pierce County Crime Stoppers
http://www.piercesheriff.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Suspect still at large:

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Sad

United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service, U.S. Government
Park Ranger
Margaret Anderson
End of Watch: Sunday, January 1, 2012

Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/21076-park- ... z1iFTSb1pV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Park Ranger Margaret Anderson was shot and killed while executing a felony stop near the Longmire Ranger Station in Mount Rainier National Park just before 11:00am.

The suspect had been stopped by another officer near the Paradise Ranger Station, but fled before being stopped again by Ranger Anderson. The suspect opened fire, fatally striking Ranger Anderson.

After being shot, Ranger Anderson radioed for help as the suspect fled on foot. Officers attempting to reach Ranger Anderson were held at bay for approximately three hours as the suspect continued to fire on them.

Ranger Anderson is survived by her husband and two young children.

Please contact the following agency to send condolences or to obtain funeral arrangements:

Steve Shackelton, Associate Director for Visitor and Resource Protection
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
1849 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20240

Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/21076-park- ... z1iFTce9Ur" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shooter still at large

Latest Associated Press http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 86c56591c3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/01/ranger_ ... oting_3_3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, I went and read the story today. Seems pretty tragic, indeed. It also seems like a made-for-TV Hollywood gun-control, anti-veteran movie. I'm sorry, but its as if they took the original Rambo and got one of those anti-war movie people to tweak the plot, and then said, "Let's do this for real"...you can say anything you like about my mental state, etc. All I know is that before Fast and Furious, I would have taken it at face value. Now...?

Heartland Patriot wrote:So, I went and read the story today. Seems pretty tragic, indeed. It also seems like a made-for-TV Hollywood gun-control, anti-veteran movie. I'm sorry, but its as if they took the original Rambo and got one of those anti-war movie people to tweak the plot, and then said, "Let's do this for real"...you can say anything you like about my mental state, etc. All I know is that before Fast and Furious, I would have taken it at face value. Now...?

I'm taking it at face value because we all know how this is going to end: with the capture or killing of the suspect. I will grant that AP is probably gleefully pumping up the PTSD/Iraq Vet/Survivalist angle because it fits their narrative—just as not reporting on Fast and Furious early on until they were practically forced to do so was inconvenient to their politics and didn't fit their narrative—but I don't think that this story is part of some nefarious government "black ops" effort to further erode the 2nd Amendment.

That said, I have no doubt that democrats will use this incident to try and force Congress to revisit concealed carry in national parks, and the Brady Center will likely lead the charge. After all, it is liberal SOP to never "waste a crisis," even if they have to gin one up.

Thread going here:

http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=51219" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oldgringo wrote:Thread going here:

http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=51219" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This thread was posted first. The other one came over 8 hours later.

JJVP
 Post subject: Ranger Shot Dead in Mount Rainier National ParkPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:38 pm 

Quoting the OP of this thread from the other thread:

RPB wrote:

dihappy wrote:Agree, that did not need to be in there and give the impression that THAT is the reason why he was shot. Ridiculous!

As if those same MURDERERS would NOT have taken a gun in the park before the law went into effect.

Rifle was what was used by the criminal; the credit card bill allowed licensees to carry handguns under their CHL.

Thread I started yesterday as it was breaking: viewtopic.php?f=108&t=51210" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Thread going here:

http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=51219" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This thread was posted first. The other one came over 8 hours later.

JJVP
 Post subject: Ranger Shot Dead in Mount Rainier National ParkPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:38 pm 

Quoting the OP of this thread from the other thread:

RPB wrote:

dihappy wrote:Agree, that did not need to be in there and give the impression that THAT is the reason why he was shot. Ridiculous!

As if those same MURDERERS would NOT have taken a gun in the park before the law went into effect.

Rifle was what was used by the criminal; the credit card bill allowed licensees to carry handguns under their CHL.

Thread I started yesterday as it was breaking: viewtopic.php?f=108&t=51210" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oops!

Oldgringo wrote:Oops!

Been there. Done that.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:So, I went and read the story today. Seems pretty tragic, indeed. It also seems like a made-for-TV Hollywood gun-control, anti-veteran movie. I'm sorry, but its as if they took the original Rambo and got one of those anti-war movie people to tweak the plot, and then said, "Let's do this for real"...you can say anything you like about my mental state, etc. All I know is that before Fast and Furious, I would have taken it at face value. Now...?

I'm taking it at face value because we all know how this is going to end: with the capture or killing of the suspect. I will grant that AP is probably gleefully pumping up the PTSD/Iraq Vet/Survivalist angle because it fits their narrative—just as not reporting on Fast and Furious early on until they were practically forced to do so was inconvenient to their politics and didn't fit their narrative—but I don't think that this story is part of some nefarious government "black ops" effort to further erode the 2nd Amendment.

That said, I have no doubt that democrats will use this incident to try and force Congress to revisit concealed carry in national parks, and the Brady Center will likely lead the charge. After all, it is liberal SOP to never "waste a crisis," even if they have to gin one up.

Okay, TAM, I'm sure you're correct. The reporting on this thing, then; THAT is the movie plot part of this. Its almost impossible that they aren't spinning this thing, leaving out pieces of information while pumping up other pieces...for instance, its Washington State. Maybe they dude was a meth dealer, or something. Not saying he was, but that is just as likely. I mean, the pic they've got going around of the guy with the MAC clone and Saiga 12...

Heartland Patriot wrote:Okay, TAM, I'm sure you're correct. The reporting on this thing, then; THAT is the movie plot part of this. Its almost impossible that they aren't spinning this thing, leaving out pieces of information while pumping up other pieces...for instance, its Washington State. Maybe they dude was a meth dealer, or something. Not saying he was, but that is just as likely.

Maybe more likely considering he was already on the run from another cop when she stopped him.

Looks like they found him.

He apparently died after trudging into chest-deep snow while trying to elude snow-shoe wearing SWAT team members and other police who were on his trail.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/02/po ... z1iKcPN0SU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

C-dub wrote:Looks like they found him.

He apparently died after trudging into chest-deep snow while trying to elude snow-shoe wearing SWAT team members and other police who were on his trail.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/02/po ... z1iKcPN0SU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and here: http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-body- ... 47393.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He looks like a poster child for the anti-gun people.

Oldgringo wrote:

C-dub wrote:Looks like they found him.

He apparently died after trudging into chest-deep snow while trying to elude snow-shoe wearing SWAT team members and other police who were on his trail.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/02/po ... z1iKcPN0SU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and here: http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-body- ... 47393.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He looks like a poster child for the anti-gun people.

Which is why my "paranoia" got the best of me...really, just too much information missing, that sure the heck isn't going to get filled in now...not with him now in a permanent non-talkative state.

Heartland Patriot wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

C-dub wrote:Looks like they found him.

He apparently died after trudging into chest-deep snow while trying to elude snow-shoe wearing SWAT team members and other police who were on his trail.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/02/po ... z1iKcPN0SU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and here: http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-body- ... 47393.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He looks like a poster child for the anti-gun people.

Which is why my "paranoia" got the best of me...really, just too much information missing, that sure the heck isn't going to get filled in now...not with him now in a permanent non-talkative state.

You ain't gonna' like this later report any better than you liked the last one:

http://news.yahoo.com/police-body-found ... 26150.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This guy apparently was a walking time bomb whose actions definitely do not help our cause.

Oldgringo wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

C-dub wrote:Looks like they found him.

He apparently died after trudging into chest-deep snow while trying to elude snow-shoe wearing SWAT team members and other police who were on his trail.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/02/po ... z1iKcPN0SU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and here: http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-body- ... 47393.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He looks like a poster child for the anti-gun people.

Which is why my "paranoia" got the best of me...really, just too much information missing, that sure the heck isn't going to get filled in now...not with him now in a permanent non-talkative state.

You ain't gonna' like this later report any better than you liked the last one:

http://news.yahoo.com/police-body-found ... 26150.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This guy apparently was a walking time bomb whose actions definitely do not help our cause.

Well, he certainly was NOT the picture of the average military member or veteran...he spent less than 3 years in and was booted out for being a screw up. MOST guys and gals manage to do their jobs to the best of their ability and make it through at least one enlistment. Also, I'm going to go back to the drug thing. Read how they found him, in the snow, dead from the elements, and dressed in a haphazard manner. Drugs can do some serious stuff to mess up a person's mind. Not personal experience, but I did see some otherwise good troops go bad due to drugs. Not many, but a few. And it caught up with them and they got booted out. So, more and more, it looks like TAM is right. My initial ideas were pretty off-base, I admit...I just hate seeing stories like this. But, of course, the yellow journalism of the leftwing press LOVES it, and they love it to death. Smearing gun owners, AND veterans, in one article? Its like a two-fer for those ghouls. They have all of my contempt.