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Could be interesting as to what happens...

And I wonder if any action is going to be taken on the firing two shots in the air part of it...

It's unclear if Officer Lopez and his party had been drinking that night.

Before their stop at Denny's, Lopez and his family members had been at a night club.

Lopez reportedly fired two shots into the air and identified himself as an officer.

"The suspect ignored that and got even more aggressive and went towards the officer with the knife in his hand as if he was about to stab him," says Senties

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Officer- ... 71008.html

"Off Duty HPD Shoots Man With Knife"????

Wouldn't the HPD officer have to use a handgun? :-)

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A very troubling facet of this incident is that the LEO had to go out to his car to get his weapon.

He probably had to do that since he had disarmed while out at the nightclub with his relatives,
presumably drinking alcohol.

So in a sense he did the right thing. But it just goes to show you that ONBODY carry is critical
to being able to defend yourself/others in a timely fashion.

SIA

surprise_i'm_armed wrote: A very troubling facet of this incident is that the LEO had to go out to his car to get his weapon.

He probably had to do that since he had disarmed while out at the nightclub with his relatives,
presumably drinking alcohol.

So in a sense he did the right thing. But it just goes to show you that ONBODY carry is critical
to being able to defend yourself/others in a timely fashion.

SIA

Actually, wouldn't this incident be evidence that you don't need to carry on your person? Just having it available to him in his vehicle was enough, this time.

I don't advocate leaving your gun in the car but to say that this is evidence that you should always carry on your person is incorrect.

tallmike wrote: Actually, wouldn't this incident be evidence that you don't need to carry on your person? Just having it available to him in his vehicle was enough, this time.

I don't advocate leaving your gun in the car but to say that this is evidence that you should always carry on your person is incorrect.

I recently posted a question on another forum about carrying in a back pack. They pretty much have me convinced that on body carry is the BEST option. Things can just happen to quickly for any other form. This story for example. If I were to carry in a back pack there is no way to know if I could retrieve my weapon fast enough in any given situation. If the guy had a gun instead of a knife in the incident above do you think the guy would have had time to run back to his car?

I'm open to other opinions though because I do like the idea of carrying a back pack. Kind of a man purse. :)

tallmike wrote: ...

Actually, wouldn't this incident be evidence that you don't need to carry on your person? Just having it available to him in his vehicle was enough, this time.

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Actually, what it is evidence of is that the policeman was very very lucky...this time.

(And that is interpreting everything in the light most favorable to the cop. I am not sure that is justified, tho...)

If the other guy has a gun you might not have time to draw yours. What are the chances that you will ever need to use your gun? Now, in that statistically small % what is the chances that the incident will be one of the times that you have no prior knowledge that something is going terribly wrong?

There is risk in life. You can work to minimize it, but you have to balance it with LIFE. =)

tallmike wrote:If the other guy has a gun you might not have time to draw yours. What are the chances that you will ever need to use your gun? Now, in that statistically small % what is the chances that the incident will be one of the times that you have no prior knowledge that something is going terribly wrong?

There is risk in life. You can work to minimize it, but you have to balance it with LIFE. =)

I have to disagree. I have to think in most instances your not going to know something is terribly wrong once you realize something is terribly wrong you probably need the gun. Once your in that circumstance would you rather it be on your body or back at the car where you have to go get it?

I do agree everything has risk and each person has their own tolerance level for that risk. I'm going to say up front I don't always carry but I should.

tallmike

Actually, wouldn't this incident be evidence that you don't need to carry on your person? Just having it available to him in his vehicle was enough, this time.

I don't advocate leaving your gun in the car but to say that this is evidence that you should always carry on your person is incorrect.

tallmike:
My own opinion, and I believe the majority opinion of the forum members, is to strongly disagree with your opinion that carrying onbody is an
incorrect way to use your 2A rights.

The HPD LEO in this case happened to be darned lucky that he was able to travel a significant distance out to his vehicle to get his gun.

The concept of armed self defense should include the ability to draw your weapon quickly, and ready to fire.

Things go south fast when there are criminals around. Since you don't believe onbody carry is very important, do you also believe that you
should leave your magazine separate from your gun? Do you have a semi-auto, but you don't have one in the pipe? After all, you have plenty
of time to work the slide when danger approaches <irony>.

Being armed means you are ready to engage immediately, not on some slower timetable that you envision to be OK, but the bad guy is not
on your page.

Carry 24/7, onbody, with one in the pipe, and backup ammo. That's how most of us roll.

SIA

SIA-
I might not have been clear enough in my statement.

I do think carrying on your person (with a round chambered) is important, but this incident does not show that to be necessary. My only disagreement was with the statement that this incident shows how important it is to carry a gun on your person. No, this incident did not show that. This incident showed how things can still come out OK in a bad situation, even if you are not carrying on your person.