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San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:42 pm
by RiverCity.45
Convenience store owner uses gun to protect himself
He holds a CHL!
http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Conveni ... 37483.html
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:46 am
by OldCurlyWolf
Mr. Singh is quite likely to be a Sikh. The Sikhs have been India's Warrior caste for Millennia.
It would not do to underestimate
a Sikh.
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:07 am
by Blindref757
Looks like he did a lot right...trying to de-escalate the situation. They showed him a gun and asked him for money...that's reason enough to be in fear for his life and be justified in protecting what is his. But when he walked away and they came after him, he didn't think twice. The only better ending would have involved better shot placement. Once this pair gets desperate again, they will just walk up and execute him before he has time to react.
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:32 am
by chasfm11
Blindref757 wrote:Looks like he did a lot right...trying to de-escalate the situation. They showed him a gun and asked him for money...that's reason enough to be in fear for his life and be justified in protecting what is his. But when he walked away and they came after him, he didn't think twice. The only better ending would have involved better shot placement. Once this pair gets desperate again, they will just walk up and execute him before he has time to react.
I was thinking about that. I would have expected them to simply shoot him in the back when he attempted to walk away. Perhaps they are relatively new at this and will become more violent on their next attempt rather than having their victim shoot at them. There is no doubt in my mind that there will be a next time for that pair.
Perhaps it had something to do with the store owner's bravado. If I understood the message in several of the books that I've read, BGs are looking to control the situation and this store owner was not letting that happen. I suspect that some BGs are like some victims - they expect the other party to simply melt at the sign of a gun.
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:09 am
by Beiruty
what was the carry method used here? IWB or in the bag?
I guess he moved away as distraction so he can pull out his firearm.
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:24 am
by Jumping Frog
OldCurlyWolf wrote:Mr. Singh is quite likely to be a Sikh. The Sikhs have been India's Warrior caste for Millennia.
It would not do to underestimate
a Sikh.
One component of being a warrior is being effective and proficient with your chosen weapon(s).
Mr. Singh needs a little work in that area.
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:34 am
by Beiruty
Jumping Frog wrote:OldCurlyWolf wrote:Mr. Singh is quite likely to be a Sikh. The Sikhs have been India's Warrior caste for Millennia.
It would not do to underestimate
a Sikh.
One component of being a warrior is being effective and proficient with your chosen weapon(s).
Mr. Singh needs a little work in that area.
Scaring tactics might be his choice.
However, Do you know the Percentage of people who can hit a moving target when they are moving? I would guess less than 1%. Go try it and let us see how do you score.
Note: Once I tried to move diagonal (fast paced, not walking) with respect to a regular IDPA/IPSC target and closing in and shooting my accuracy was maybe 20%-30% out of like full magazine. Imagine if your target is dodging for his life!
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:37 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
Jumping Frog wrote:OldCurlyWolf wrote:Mr. Singh is quite likely to be a Sikh. The Sikhs have been India's Warrior caste for Millennia.
It would not do to underestimate
a Sikh.
One component of being a warrior is being effective and proficient with your chosen weapon(s).
Mr. Singh needs a little work in that area.
Of course everyone is different. Although Mr. Singh didn't explicitly mention it in the interview,
perhaps he didn't want to wound or kill his BG's. He had them on the run when he started flinging
lead - maybe he was OK with just stopping the threat by having them flee.
SIA
Re: San Antonio CHL Shop Owner Defends Himself
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:08 am
by Keith B
I think it was more of a run and shoot back to put distance between him and the attackers. That will usually cause the BG's to help increase the distance themselves. And unless you are practiced at moving and shooting, then hitting anything is going to be a challenge. As Clint Smith says "If you're not shooting you should be loading, if you're not loading you should be moving, if you're not moving, someone is gonna cut off your head and put it on a stick."