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Not good

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:17 pm
by baldeagle
http://northeast.bakersfieldnow.com/new ... -son/71853" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Deacon Turner, former Bengals running back, shot to death by Sheriff's deputy.

Re: Not good

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:54 pm
by baldeagle
A sad followup story http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... _headlines" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Not good

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:59 pm
by Pug
Everything about this story is a sad commentary on wasted opportunities, wasted potential, wasted life. And when the grand jury finishes ruling on the shooting, nothing good will come of that either -- any way it falls.

Re: Not good

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:13 pm
by i8godzilla
Sounds like a tough place to live if you have a run in with the local LEOs

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Re: Not good

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:19 pm
by gigag04
Seems like a tough place to be an LEO

Re: Not good

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:23 pm
by i8godzilla
gigag04 wrote:Seems like a tough place to be an LEO
QFT

Re: Not good

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:46 am
by Kawabuggy
Somebody give officer Berchtold some more ammo quickly while he is on a streak. That guy is saving his county thousands-if not millions-of dollars by avoiding incarceration and associated court costs to include the appeals process.

Re: Not good

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:28 pm
by Tamie
Either version is a bad situation but I can't help wondering if this would have made it past the local news if the guy was an auto mechanic.

Re: Not good

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:32 pm
by The Mad Moderate
Kawabuggy wrote:Somebody give officer Berchtold some more ammo quickly while he is on a streak. That guy is saving his county thousands-if not millions-of dollars by avoiding incarceration and associated court costs to include the appeals process.
So your solution to crime and saving money is just have the cop be judge, jury and executioner? While I think a cop has a right and duty to protect himself and the public, suggesting that he kill more people to save money is just sick. I hope you were joking because that is just too far. :mad5

Re: Not good

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:39 pm
by i8godzilla
Let's hope it never gets to this:

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In my first post:
Sounds like a tough place to live if you have a run in with the local LEOs
After reading it, I think it sounded like I was beating up on the local LEOs. That was not my intention.

Re: Not good

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:23 pm
by jmra
loadedliberal wrote:
Kawabuggy wrote:Somebody give officer Berchtold some more ammo quickly while he is on a streak. That guy is saving his county thousands-if not millions-of dollars by avoiding incarceration and associated court costs to include the appeals process.
So your solution to crime and saving money is just have the cop be judge, jury and executioner? While I think a cop has a right and duty to protect himself and the public, suggesting that he kill more people to save money is just sick. I hope you were joking because that is just too far. :mad5
Sure would have been nice if someone at Fort Hood would have aimed a little higher.

Re: Not good

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:52 am
by baldeagle
This situation is really hard to judge with the minimal information given. According to the son, a deputy struck Turner in the legs after he started walking away. He fell, dropped his beer and the sound of the beer bottles bursting caused a deputy to draw and fire. (I would find that difficult, but not impossible, to believe. If Turner was on the ground facing down, what would the threat be to the officers?)

According to the Sheriff's office, Turner became combative and struck a deputy in the back of the head with two beer bottles in a bag, and that's when a deputy fired. The critical elements of the case are the locations of the various deputies in relation to Turner, where the bullets struck him and at what angle, and the location of the beer after the shooting. If there's video, that may resolve these issues.

In any case, I don't think it's possible to judge what took place with the small amount of clearly conflicting information we have.

It's sad that a kid who showed such promise and made it to the NFL went on to live a life filled with alcohol and arrests and trouble.

Re: Not good

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:00 am
by baldeagle
Another followup article. http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x ... f-shooting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Turner apparently claimed to have been using rock cocaine since his NFL days. Perhaps that explains why his career was so short.

Re: Not good

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:50 pm
by baldeagle
The Sheriff's department review board has ruled that the shooting was within departmental policy.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x ... Lee-Turner" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;