Off-duty HPD officer shoots 2 during fight after leaving bar

[Aggie_engr]

Here's one for the drinking while carrying analysts. (we need a pot stirring smiley)

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...Jose Coronado and his wife were leaving Sherlock’s Bar and Pub.... around 2:00 a.m. when Coronado saw a friend being beaten by four unknown men.

[seamusTX]

Here's a weird idea: Someone can visit a bar and not drink alcoholic beverages.

Sherlock's isn't what people usually mean by bar. It is similar to Chili's or Fuddrucker's restaurant and has live entertainment.

Most police agencies will fire an officer if he drinks at all while armed or has more than some low limit like 0.01. It depends upon the agency. That kind of firing is usually the end of his career as a LEO.

- Jim

[A-R]

Here's a weird idea: Someone can visit a bar and not drink alcoholic beverages.

EXACTLY! If I'm not drinking, I should be allowed to carry in a 51% location.

Designated driver should also be legally able to be the designated marksman too

[Aggie_engr]

Reasonable observations realtor and jim. I just prefer to leave the evaluations up to others as not to out my ideals on hot topic issues.

[seamusTX]

EXACTLY! If I'm not drinking, I should be allowed to carry in a 51% location.

There are many reasons to be in a bar and not drinking. As you say, a designated driver. A band member or roadie. Picking up your drunk brother-in-law. A salesman doing business with the establishment.

It is ridiculous to make carrying a weapon there a felony per se. It is one of those lingering moralistic laws from the Prohibition era.

- Jim

[aardwolf]

EXACTLY! If I'm not drinking, I should be allowed to carry in a 51% location.

There are many reasons to be in a bar and not drinking. As you say, a designated driver. A band member or roadie. Picking up your drunk brother-in-law. A salesman doing business with the establishment.

It is ridiculous to make carrying a weapon there a felony per se. It is one of those lingering moralistic laws from the Prohibition era.

Also the "blue laws" enacted by religious extremists. Some are still on the books, like the laws treating Sunday different for alcohol sales.

[seamusTX]

The laws concerning liquor store hours of operation just let the operators have a day off without worrying about the competition—much like car dealers.

Anyone who wants can stock up when the stores are open.

I don't know if you were here in Texas in the 1980s when bars were technically illegal.

I remember when I was a kid, and bars had their back door open if you knew the right knock pattern.

- Jim

[aardwolf]

The laws concerning liquor store hours of operation just let the operators have a day off without worrying about the competition—much like car dealers.

Can a Jewish liquor store owner sell booze on Sunday if they're closed during the Jewish Sabbath?

[seamusTX]

Of course not.

Though that reminds me, more years ago than I want to admit to, the pre-Cambian era or something, there was a district in Chicago called by the politically incorrect name of "Jewtown" along Roosevelt Road, Halsted, and Maxwell Street. The stores there were closed on Saturday and open on Sunday.

Stores owned by Christians at that time often were closed on Sunday. Some of them would have signs saying something like, "We're at church. Why aren't you?"

That area has been bulldozed and paved over, and all of that is vanishing into history.

- Jim

[JNMAR]

Of course not.

Though that reminds me, more years ago than I want to admit to, the pre-Cambian era or something, there was a district in Chicago called by the politically incorrect name of "Jewtown" along Roosevelt Road, Halsted, and Maxwell Street. The stores there were closed on Saturday and open on Sunday.

Stores owned by Christians at that time often were closed on Sunday. Some of them would have signs saying something like, "We're at church. Why aren't you?"

That area has been bulldozed and paved over, and all of that is vanishing into history.

- Jim

Thanks Jim, reminds of some fond memories I have from a couple of Speakeasys I used to frequent in downtown Houston...Ahhhhh, those were the days.

[seamusTX]

History will be forgotten when they pry it out of my cold dead brain, or something.

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- Jim

[Oldgringo]

EXACTLY! If I'm not drinking, I should be allowed to carry in a 51% location.

There are many reasons to be in a bar and not drinking. As you say, a designated driver. A band member or roadie. Picking up your drunk brother-in-law. A salesman doing business with the establishment.
- Jim

...or do a little and other ...

[E.Marquez]

Here's a weird idea: Someone can visit a bar and not drink alcoholic beverages.

Sherlock's isn't what people usually mean by bar. It is similar to Chili's or Fuddrucker's restaurant and has live entertainment.

Most police agencies will fire an officer if he drinks at all while armed or has more than some low limit like 0.01. It depends upon the agency. That kind of firing is usually the end of his career as a LEO.

- Jim

Really? That is, well, very different then what i'm told from the three officers I hang with here in CENTEX.... Is it just these two departments that do not have such rules? or ????

[seamusTX]

I know only what I know in the local area. Agencies do not want officers running around sloshed when they may have to report for duty on short notice or otherwise prove an embarrassment.

- Jim

[Shoot Straight]

Getting fired is different than getting arrested and charged. That's a difference that's significant for everyone who carries despite an HR policy that doesn't conform to the 30.06 definition of notice.