George Floyd who died from drug overdose was from Texas

[03Lightningrocks]

Holy smokes folks! What if the defendant did not directly cause the mans death?! I don't know what the charges would be but certainly not murder. Good lord! Thanks srothstein for posting this. We will see what the final autopsy says but by golly I was wrong to jump to conclusions.

I won't make a bit of difference, just like the "correct, updated" information on Eric Garner, Michael Brown, et. al. didn't make any difference. In fact, the coroner has already been labeled as a racist tool of the police department, and the family is hiring a private autopsy (the same guy who autopsied Michael Brown) to find "the truth."

Sad. I just read that they ransacked and looted the College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta. Ran off with autographed game balls, trophies, etc. What a freaking mess. Here we go again.

The media stokes these flames and Leftist politicians thrive on anything that creates divisiveness. So you are probably correct.

[philip964]

https://news.yahoo.com/rioters-destroy- ... 03655.html

rioters destroy a bar a black firefighter bought with his life savings. Bar was not insured.

[philip964]

https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/29/lmpd-o ... e-protest/

Louisville officer fires pepper balls at young female reporter and her cameraman during live report on riots during TV news.

[parabelum]

https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/29/lmpd-o ... e-protest/

Louisville officer fires pepper balls at young female reporter and her cameraman during live report on riots during TV news.

Can we all agree on at least two things here.
1. Looters and thugs must be dealt with swiftly and with force. It has to be stopped.
2. There seems to be too many incompetent officers these days wearing the badge. Hiring process must be scrutinized and training standards clearly have to go up.

[srothstein]

Thanks for posting this link. I have a question. It says

The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m.

Why would they do that? If Floyd was being arrested and was already in the squad car, why wouldn't he just be taken to jail? I've never understood why, once a subject has been constrained, they are not promptly driven away. This seems even more important if there is a crowd gathering. If they have decided not to make an arrest, telling the subject about that decision and removing the handcuffs seems appropriate.

I am not sure why they did it, but I can think of two possible reasons. The one most likely to apply to this case is that he continued to fight while in the car, either trying to hurt himself or damage the vehicle. In the example I posted way back in the thread, I had one prisoner kick the door, bending the door frame and breaking both the window and his ankle (compression fracture). If he had started kicking the officer could have pulled him out to prevent damage to the car while waiting for a different type of vehicle (paddy wagon or van) to transport.

The seconnd possibility is that he managed to keep his legs straight so they could not close the second door or get him in a seated position to belt in. Since he was fighting being put in the car, as the officer went to the other side to pull him in, he may have started kicking and keeping them from closing the door. In a case like that, the officer pulling him in, might have pulled him further than he thought so they could close the door, then if he fights getting put in a sitting position, he ends up with his head and shoulders out of the car. Pulling him all the way out to wait for the other transport may be the best solution at that point also.

But those are just example of things that might have caused it. I don't know for sure why he did it.

[srothstein]

2. There seems to be too many incompetent officers these days wearing the badge. Hiring process must be scrutinized and training standards clearly have to go up.

I am not sure that this has anything to do with this case, but one incompetent officer is too many. We need to improve the standards for hiring and retention. This has a couple of problems people need to be aware of. First is the obvious, good people cost more money. I am not saying cops are paid poorly everywhere, but we have some places in Texas where a full time patrol officer is still paid $30,000/year. They are rural, which actually raises the cost of living a little bit. This makes it much harder to get good cops there, with the only lucky side to this being that major problems rarely occur in rural areas.

The second problem is that it is much harder to find good people who want to be cops today. With the current media vilification of police, the best no longer want the job. This feeds into getting incompetent cops who make dumb mistakes which feeds into helping the media vilify cops as all bad. We need to break that cycle. I have no faith in the media changing the way they report the news (if it bleeds, it leads), so this is dependent on the police to improve standards and training. But that requires the local citizenry to be willing to pay for the better people and to communicate to the elected officials that they standards and training must be raised with the taxes. If we just throw money at the problem, it will not get better. We must throw some money at it, but we also must insist on better hiring and training instead of letting the agencies waste the money.

[philip964]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/0 ... since-ww2/

MN activates National Guard.

Governor Democrat - check

Senators Democrat - check

Mayor Democrat - check

Ilan Omar Representative from Minneapolis - Democrat - Check

Minnesota only state that Regan did not win in his historic landslide election in 1984, went Democrat - Check

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Unit ... l_election

[parabelum]

2. There seems to be too many incompetent officers these days wearing the badge. Hiring process must be scrutinized and training standards clearly have to go up.

I am not sure that this has anything to do with this case, but one incompetent officer is too many. We need to improve the standards for hiring and retention. This has a couple of problems people need to be aware of. First is the obvious, good people cost more money. I am not saying cops are paid poorly everywhere, but we have some places in Texas where a full time patrol officer is still paid $30,000/year. They are rural, which actually raises the cost of living a little bit. This makes it much harder to get good cops there, with the only lucky side to this being that major problems rarely occur in rural areas.

The second problem is that it is much harder to find good people who want to be cops today. With the current media vilification of police, the best no longer want the job. This feeds into getting incompetent cops who make dumb mistakes which feeds into helping the media vilify cops as all bad. We need to break that cycle. I have no faith in the media changing the way they report the news (if it bleeds, it leads), so this is dependent on the police to improve standards and training. But that requires the local citizenry to be willing to pay for the better people and to communicate to the elected officials that they standards and training must be raised with the taxes. If we just throw money at the problem, it will not get better. We must throw some money at it, but we also must insist on better hiring and training instead of letting the agencies waste the money.

Very good points there. I feel terrible for the people who die as the result of someone’s incompetence. It also makes me sick to see the reputation of the ones who serve with honor and distinction tarnished by acts of the incompetent ones.

[philip964]

https://www.mystateline.com/news/nation ... ngulation/

Preliminary autopsy shows George Floyd did not die of asphyxiation.

Combination of existing health conditions, restraint, and drugs in his system.

https://www.fox9.com/news/family-of-geo ... er-autopsy

Family selects independent medical examiner.

Protests all over the country.

https://apnews.com/c743eaecd9a5948a4576565b12e3230d

Homeland Security Officer murdered in Oakland.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/05 ... d-protest/

[03Lightningrocks]

https://www.mystateline.com/news/nation ... ngulation/

Preliminary autopsy shows George Floyd did not die of asphyxiation.

Combination of existing health conditions, restraint, and drugs in his system.

https://www.fox9.com/news/family-of-geo ... er-autopsy

Family selects independent medical examiner.

Protests all over the country.

https://apnews.com/c743eaecd9a5948a4576565b12e3230d

Homeland Security Officer murdered in Oakland.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/05 ... d-protest/

All the news channels are talking about antifa groups infiltrating the protests and causing rioting. Time to start taking out antifa members

[MadMonkey]

2. There seems to be too many incompetent officers these days wearing the badge. Hiring process must be scrutinized and training standards clearly have to go up.

Incompetence is certainly an issue but I'd say there are a multitude of problems with law enforcement these days, from the lowest patrolman to the feds.

Overpolicing, a pervasive us-vs-them attitude, lack of disciplinary action (i.e. "we investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing"), protecting each other to a fault even for serious crimes, severe overreach and lack of "good cops" calling anyone else out on it, etc.

[philip964]

https://www.mystateline.com/news/nation ... ngulation/

Preliminary autopsy shows George Floyd did not die of asphyxiation.

Combination of existing health conditions, restraint, and drugs in his system.

https://www.fox9.com/news/family-of-geo ... er-autopsy

Family selects independent medical examiner.

Protests all over the country.

https://apnews.com/c743eaecd9a5948a4576565b12e3230d

Homeland Security Officer murdered in Oakland.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/05 ... d-protest/

All the news channels are talking about antifa groups infiltrating the protests and causing rioting. Time to start taking out antifa members

No, No! It’s white supremacists and drug cartels causing the rioting.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ing-claims

[03Lightningrocks]

https://www.mystateline.com/news/nation ... ngulation/

Preliminary autopsy shows George Floyd did not die of asphyxiation.

Combination of existing health conditions, restraint, and drugs in his system.

https://www.fox9.com/news/family-of-geo ... er-autopsy

Family selects independent medical examiner.

Protests all over the country.

https://apnews.com/c743eaecd9a5948a4576565b12e3230d

Homeland Security Officer murdered in Oakland.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/05 ... d-protest/

All the news channels are talking about antifa groups infiltrating the protests and causing rioting. Time to start taking out antifa members

No, No! It’s white supremacists and drug cartels causing the rioting.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ing-claims

Unbelievable. Leftist Loons are truly delusional. White Supremacists! What a load of garbage.

[philip964]

https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... ton-rally/

Protest again today in Houston.

Woman knocked down from behind by a speeding mounted police officers horse.

[striker55]

Brother who lives in upstate NY driving through Saratoga street blocked by protests in front of the police station yesterday.