Good Shoot: CHL shoots robber on gas station video.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

This is a textbook example of why everyone with a CHL should carry "ON BODY".

If the GG had his Glock ON HIM instead of in the console, he would have been in a much more advantageous defensive posture.
The same bad decision was made recently by the Houston CHL who was robbed of $600 cash at the Awful House. He had his gun in his
car and he had to run out to get it before he could engage the 3 fleeing BG's.

I pocket carry my EDC half the time in a pocket holster, other times it's in an OWB at 3-4 PM, but I have always figured that even with the more
accessible OWB rig, being in the driver's seat, seatbelted, is not too good for drawing. That's why my BUG, the Rossi revolver, is in a seat belt holster under
a towel. My right hand can fall naturally to the Rossi, right behind my shifter, if something like this incident happened when I was seated.

The whole encounter with the BG was hinky from the beginning, and when the BG was hanging on his car, that was the time to
speak to him and tell him to back off.

To get to his gun, the GG had to take the chance to sit down in the driver's seat. This allowed the BG to be in a better spot to
beat him through the driver's window <or open door, I don't remember>.

The semi-literate ramblings on the Facebook page of the accomplice shed a lot of light on what a couple of punks these guys were.
The non-shot BG was complaining that an Asian man was giving him the stink eye earlier, as if he was going to carjack him.
But then look what him and his homey were up to with the guy who had to shoot his friend - they are carjacking types!!

SIA

[Excaliber]

Dayton OH Police say a man who was being robbed at a local gas station turned the table on his two attackers, shooting one of them. The man had a CHL.

The first link, especially, is a raw video feed of the shooting with a moment-by-moment narrative by the investigating police detective. Interesting video with lessons for all of us.

http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/shared ... d_47.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.whiotv.com/video/28315602/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This story has been getting a lot of discussion over on Ohioccwforums.org. The CHL who defended himself posted the links online and has been discussing his shooting in the forums.

The DA has already stated it is a "good shoot", so the CHL is clear on that level. Ohio bars the BG from civil damages, so he has little to worry about in that regard.

A couple points the CHL has made.

• After he shot the BG, he got in his car and left since there was a second BG on scene. However, he immediately called 911 and returned to the scene as soon as the police arrived.
• He regrets that his gun was in the center console instead of on his person. He almost did not make it back to his gun.
• He said the gun was a glock model 36. Carrying with one in the chamber probably saved his life because he was holding himself in the car with his left hand as they were trying to pull him out of the car. No way he could have racked the slide.
• He was using Cor-Bon "Pow'R Ball" .45 ammo. Fired twice, hit twice center mass.
• He did have auditory exclusion, no memory of loud noise when he fired.
• The second BG, accomplice, has posted pictures of the bullet wounds on his FaceBook page and has basically admitted on FB that he was there and he is threatening revenge on the OP. The friends are also talking about revenge.
• BG Facebook link: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... at?sk=wall" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One lesson I think stands out when watching the video is the OP made a serious mistake in letting the BG get too close. I'd have been in his face long before the violence erupted telling him to back off. If he didn't comply, I would have had my hand on my handgun's grip (or more, depending upon circumstance).

Waiting until you are already hit to get your gun into play is poor planning, imo. He is lucky there wasn't a knife.

Great post FROG!!
The facebook wall is now private, thanks to Frog I found screen captures on the Ohioans site.
It's wise to study the enemy..
http://www.ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic. ... 2&start=90" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The picture of the wounds is small, but the large wound near the top of the photo clearly shows flash burn around the entry point. The dark black spots are powder stippling - made by bits of burning powder that hadn't completely burned in the barrel. These are classic indications of a very short distance between the muzzle and the suspect when the gun was fired.

[Purplehood]

The amazing thing is the mindset of this FB guy. He really doesn't realize that he or his buddy did anything wrong.

His statement to the effect of "My bro was beating this guys behind, and the guy just shot him" just boggles my mind.

[sugar land dave]

The real downside is that this type of BG person will likely survive being shot and not decide to change his ways for the better; instead he will probably decide to start carrying and assaulting with a knife. Sadly.

[Excaliber]

The amazing thing is the mindset of this FB guy. He really doesn't realize that he or his buddy did anything wrong.

His statement to the effect of "My bro was beating this guys behind, and the guy just shot him" just boggles my mind.

The only response I can think of to the guy's apparent inability to connect the dots between the assault and the GG's defensive response is: Duh!

[74novaman]

The amazing thing is the mindset of this FB guy. He really doesn't realize that he or his buddy did anything wrong.

His statement to the effect of "My bro was beating this guys behind, and the guy just shot him" just boggles my mind.

The only response I can think of to the guy's apparent inability to connect the dots between the assault and the GG's defensive response is: Duh!

You'd probably have to phrase it something like this for him to get it though:

yo, bruh....ya mess wit da bull, ya git dem horns, brah......ya.....

[Excaliber]

The amazing thing is the mindset of this FB guy. He really doesn't realize that he or his buddy did anything wrong.

His statement to the effect of "My bro was beating this guys behind, and the guy just shot him" just boggles my mind.

The only response I can think of to the guy's apparent inability to connect the dots between the assault and the GG's defensive response is: Duh!

You'd probably have to phrase it something like this for him to get it though:

yo, bruh....ya mess wit da bull, ya git dem horns, brah......ya.....

It's true that effective communication is built on talking to people in a language they understand.

[Jumping Frog]

Well, now the CHL is saying that he bought a box of PowRBall ammo, but he shot about half of it to make sure it would work in his gun. When he was loading his "clip" (a personal pet peeve), he was one round short, so he also used one round of FMJ hardball.

Apparently he hit the BG with one round of PowRBall and one round of ordinary hardball.

The thread also says both shots were through and through. The PowRBall was a small entry wound but blew out a big old hole coming out the back.

He also gave an interview to Ohioans For Concealed Carry on their main website here: CHL holder uses firearm in defense against attack

[jimlongley]

Glad this turned out OK for the victim. . . I hate being approached while pumping gas. It normally only happens to me along an Interstate or near downtown, but once it happened in Keller and it caught me completely off guard. . . the guy came up from the railroad tracks near 377 and was beside me before I processed everything.

I refused him a ride or money, and he went to dig through the trash by the convenience store door (I was on the street-side of the pumps) about 7 yards away. He yelled some offensive "compliments" at my wife as she was washing the windows and I encouraged him to "chill out" and kept my eye on him. He tried to step to the side one length so that I couldn't see him through the pump, but I shifted. He did it again and I again adapted so that he was in my vision. I wasn't staring him down, but I made it clear I could see him.

He looked healthy and in his mid to late 30's. . . athletic frame and about 5'10" with a short haircut (parted) and a messenger bag over his shoulder. I had a revolver in an ankle holster and, not knowing what might be in his bag (which he was intermittently rummaging through), decided that if he approached me again, I would loudly command him to stop and I would draw.

Gas stations present a lot of vulnerabilities: blind spots, lots of traffic, distractions (messing with credit card machine, pump, nozzle, etc.). . . and it's fairly routine, so it's easy to turn off your alert and go into auto-mode.

Good reminder to stay alert and vigilant.

Similar thing on the way to FL last year, which I may have posted about here. We stopped for gas and a biological break in the early early am, and right as my wife went inside, the pack started coming toward me like hyenas. My TX CHL had expired, and my wife was carrying (and inside now) but the .45 was in the glove box, so I "washed the windows" around to the side of the car, opened the glove box, and prepared myself for the worst. They must have sensed that I was not easy prey, because beyond loudly asking for money and backing out to and circling well out of 7 yard range, they made no further attempt to approach. Intimidation at that distance is not really intimidating. By the time my wife came back out the situation was almost over and they ignored her.

[Excaliber]

Glad this turned out OK for the victim. . . I hate being approached while pumping gas. It normally only happens to me along an Interstate or near downtown, but once it happened in Keller and it caught me completely off guard. . . the guy came up from the railroad tracks near 377 and was beside me before I processed everything.

I refused him a ride or money, and he went to dig through the trash by the convenience store door (I was on the street-side of the pumps) about 7 yards away. He yelled some offensive "compliments" at my wife as she was washing the windows and I encouraged him to "chill out" and kept my eye on him. He tried to step to the side one length so that I couldn't see him through the pump, but I shifted. He did it again and I again adapted so that he was in my vision. I wasn't staring him down, but I made it clear I could see him.

He looked healthy and in his mid to late 30's. . . athletic frame and about 5'10" with a short haircut (parted) and a messenger bag over his shoulder. I had a revolver in an ankle holster and, not knowing what might be in his bag (which he was intermittently rummaging through), decided that if he approached me again, I would loudly command him to stop and I would draw.

Gas stations present a lot of vulnerabilities: blind spots, lots of traffic, distractions (messing with credit card machine, pump, nozzle, etc.). . . and it's fairly routine, so it's easy to turn off your alert and go into auto-mode.

Good reminder to stay alert and vigilant.

Similar thing on the way to FL last year, which I may have posted about here. We stopped for gas and a biological break in the early early am, and right as my wife went inside, the pack started coming toward me like hyenas. My TX CHL had expired, and my wife was carrying (and inside now) but the .45 was in the glove box, so I "washed the windows" around to the side of the car, opened the glove box, and prepared myself for the worst. They must have sensed that I was not easy prey, because beyond loudly asking for money and backing out to and circling well out of 7 yard range, they made no further attempt to approach. Intimidation at that distance is not really intimidating. By the time my wife came back out the situation was almost over and they ignored her.

I'm glad to hear it ended well - you recognized danger and prepared to engage. They weren't prepared for that and hesitated, trying to figure out what to do, and couldn't come up with a consensus to move in because they correctly sensed that was not likely to go well for them, and they eventually melted away. You did a good job in successfully resolving a very volatile and dangerous situation.

In after action review mode, you might consider that things could have taken a way different course if the BG's had taken the opportunity to accost your wife as she crossed their perimeter on the way to your car. She likely would have had to use her gun to get out of that one. A lower risk alternative would have been when she saw the situation, she stayed in the store and called 911. Help would likely have been a long time in coming, but it would have put you in the complainant position in the incoming calls, and you could have maintained the standoff longer if the BG's took longer to make up their minds.

[jimlongley]

Glad this turned out OK for the victim. . . I hate being approached while pumping gas. It normally only happens to me along an Interstate or near downtown, but once it happened in Keller and it caught me completely off guard. . . the guy came up from the railroad tracks near 377 and was beside me before I processed everything.

I refused him a ride or money, and he went to dig through the trash by the convenience store door (I was on the street-side of the pumps) about 7 yards away. He yelled some offensive "compliments" at my wife as she was washing the windows and I encouraged him to "chill out" and kept my eye on him. He tried to step to the side one length so that I couldn't see him through the pump, but I shifted. He did it again and I again adapted so that he was in my vision. I wasn't staring him down, but I made it clear I could see him.

He looked healthy and in his mid to late 30's. . . athletic frame and about 5'10" with a short haircut (parted) and a messenger bag over his shoulder. I had a revolver in an ankle holster and, not knowing what might be in his bag (which he was intermittently rummaging through), decided that if he approached me again, I would loudly command him to stop and I would draw.

Gas stations present a lot of vulnerabilities: blind spots, lots of traffic, distractions (messing with credit card machine, pump, nozzle, etc.). . . and it's fairly routine, so it's easy to turn off your alert and go into auto-mode.

Good reminder to stay alert and vigilant.

Similar thing on the way to FL last year, which I may have posted about here. We stopped for gas and a biological break in the early early am, and right as my wife went inside, the pack started coming toward me like hyenas. My TX CHL had expired, and my wife was carrying (and inside now) but the .45 was in the glove box, so I "washed the windows" around to the side of the car, opened the glove box, and prepared myself for the worst. They must have sensed that I was not easy prey, because beyond loudly asking for money and backing out to and circling well out of 7 yard range, they made no further attempt to approach. Intimidation at that distance is not really intimidating. By the time my wife came back out the situation was almost over and they ignored her.

I'm glad to hear it ended well - you recognized danger and prepared to engage. They weren't prepared for that and hesitated, trying to figure out what to do, and couldn't come up with a consensus to move in because they correctly sensed that was not likely to go well for them, and they eventually melted away. You did a good job in successfully resolving a very volatile and dangerous situation.

In after action review mode, you might consider that things could have taken a way different course if the BG's had taken the opportunity to accost your wife as she crossed their perimeter on the way to your car. She likely would have had to use her gun to get out of that one. A lower risk alternative would have been when she saw the situation, she stayed in the store and called 911. Help would likely have been a long time in coming, but it would have put you in the complainant position in the incoming calls, and you could have maintained the standoff longer if the BG's took longer to make up their minds.

She had observed that something was amiss and came out acting like a sheep, but prepared and walked to the car acting as if nothing was happening.

[Poldark]

Thanks for a great and informative post, lot to digest and learn .

Video and commentary are excellent and also all of the feedback info

[Pug]

Great post FROG!!
The facebook wall is now private, thanks to Frog I found screen captures on the Ohioans site.
It's wise to study the enemy..
http://www.ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic. ... 2&start=90" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The full Facebook page (image) is here: http://tglassburner.com/images/blackbur ... 20page.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And I find his comment about not carrying his G36 on his person at the time...well, somewhat disturbing: "i usually use a cross breed supertuck at about the 5 oclock position. if i would have been carrying like that at the time probably would not have been able to draw my weapon. at the 3 or 4 oclock position i believe i could have drawn my weapon"

And here's the BG that got away (five warrants & still on the streets):

[snatchel]

So I have tried to find out if this Blackburn fella has been arrested... anyone know?

[v-rog]

I would be interested in seeing how the CHL holder is doing after the shooting. It is not a small thing to shoot a person.