WildBill wrote:
In this instance I think "good shoot" equals "legal shoot". Tactically, opening the door probably wasn't a good idea, but that doesn't negate his right to self defense.
A good shoot to me is a little bit more cut and dry than this one so I don't want to muddy the waters by equating the two. While it'll probably pan out as a " legal shoot", opening the door to someone you've already had a confrontation with is just bad for everyone involved and isn't a "good" decision. There's no duty to retreat but there's also no requirement to advance.
I wasn't there and I wasn't in his shoes but from my viewpoint it was a senseless decision to open the door.
WildBill wrote:
In this instance I think "good shoot" equals "legal shoot". Tactically, opening the door probably wasn't a good idea, but that doesn't negate his right to self defense.
A good shoot to me is a little bit more cut and dry than this one so I don't want to muddy the waters by equating the two. While it'll probably pan out as a " legal shoot", opening the door to someone you've already had a confrontation with is just bad for everyone involved and isn't a "good" decision. There's no duty to retreat but there's also no requirement to advance.
I wasn't there and I wasn't in his shoes but from my viewpoint it was a senseless decision to open the door.
There will be a lot of $$$$ change hand$ before thi$ I$ re$olved.
CoffeeNut wrote:... opening the door to someone you've already had a confrontation with is just bad for everyone involved and isn't a "good" decision. .... from my viewpoint it was a senseless decision to open the door.
I hesitate to make conclusions based upon news accounts, as they are often inaccurate and incomplete.
For all we know, the guy knocking on the door told him he wanted to apologize and shake his hand. Then charged as soon as the door opened. The point is, we really don't know how this played out.
The only legitimate reason I would have opened the door was if my wife & children were en route to the room. I wouldnt leave them exposed to someone supposedly this irrational & aggressive.
Though the shooter has the right to stand his ground, how does this reconcile with the fact that he opened the door? Is it a reasonable assumption that the heavy door would have held until the police arrived? Did he contribute to the conflict by doing so? It could be argued that the "victim of aggression" was being detained and held captive in his room against his will by a mad man.
From a legal position - should the shooter have waited for the door to be breached before shooting? As someone previously posted - regardless, this is gonna cost some big bucks.
Opinions?
BTW I bet a dollar against a donut that the hotel has this incident on video.
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I think we all agree that opening the door wasn't the brightest move.
You never know what the shooter was thinking...he could have been so t'd off that he said to himself.."you know what I'm going to open the door just off this guy".
CoffeeNut wrote:... opening the door to someone you've already had a confrontation with is just bad for everyone involved and isn't a "good" decision. .... from my viewpoint it was a senseless decision to open the door.
I hesitate to make conclusions based upon news accounts, as they are often inaccurate and incomplete.
For all we know, the guy knocking on the door told him he wanted to apologize and shake his hand. Then charged as soon as the door opened. The point is, we really don't know how this played out.
You're absolutely correct however I'm allowed to take in information and make assements based on the information I'm receiving. Unless we're on the department, prosecution, defense, grand jury or jury then we'll never know all of the facts.
Again, opening the door to someone you've already had a confrontation with is just bad for everyone involved and isn't a "good" decision.
Oldgringo wrote:
I haven't been in a hotel/motel in 15 or so years but as I recall, the last few had phones in them and locks on the doors.
Phones, yes. Locks, sort of. Look carefully at the doors and door frames next time you're in a hotel hallway. Even some nice places have seen kick-ins and cosmetic repairs.
The sooner I get behind, the more time I have to catch up.
Oldgringo wrote:
I haven't been in a hotel/motel in 15 or so years but as I recall, the last few had phones in them and locks on the doors.
Phones, yes. Locks, sort of. Look carefully at the doors and door frames next time you're in a hotel hallway. Even some nice places have seen kick-ins and cosmetic repairs.
Most people who are murdered in their homes have phones and locks on their doors.
Man Knocking on Hotel Room Doors 'Looking for Someone to Kill' Shot Dead
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On July 12, a man knocking on doors at San Antonio's Grand Hyatt while trying to find "someone to kill" came across an armed guest who shot him dead.
According to MySanAntonio.com, 34-year-old Moises Torres "started breaking lights in the hallway" on the sixth floor and then knocked on a guest's door around 1 p.m. When the guest opened the door, Torres said he was "looking for someone to kill."
The guest slammed the door, and Torres knocked on another one. The guest inside the second room was 43-year-old concealed carry license holder John Neal, who retrieved a gun and "waited until he thought Torres had left before opening the door."
But when Neal opened the door, Torres "charged at Neal and another woman." So Neal "drew a pistol and fired one shot at Torres, stopping him in the doorway."
Jim Beaux wrote:Torres "charged at Neal and another woman." So Neal "drew a pistol and fired one shot at Torres, stopping him in the doorway."
John Neal is a woman?
Another way to read this is that there was a woman in the room with John Neal. It's actually hard to read otherwise because someone who is charging toward a doorway would not be charging toward anyone who was not either between him and the doorway or at or inside said doorway, and there is no indication that a woman was between the defender and the deceased.
Excaliber
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
There will be a lot of $$$$ change hand$ before thi$ I$ re$olved.
