NYPD shoots bystanders; suspect charged

[sunny beach]

Those who do not take responsibility for their own skills will not be materially helped by lighter triggers.

The real issues are officers who place their fingers inside the trigger guard before they're ready to shoot, and insufficient range time to maintain proficiency.

But I ahve to give the NYPD credit for their creative logic. If they have a heavy trigger, they aren't responsible for shooting an innocent person when they intentionally pull the trigger and miss. On the other hand, if it's not a heavy trigger, they aren't responsible for shooting an innocent person when they didn't intend to pull the trigger but they do.

[03Lightningrocks]

I think a light trigger pull is only a problem if a person has not practiced enough with their weapon. But that is just my experience with it. Similar to a person moving directly from a Glock type pull to a 1911 pull. The first few rounds will probably get touched off quicker than expected.

Like any other occupation. There are those that practice with the tools of their trade and there are those who just try to get by.

The NYPD and a few other depts in NY changed to what is called the NY2 trigger which has a trigger pull of 12lbs. while the normal trigger pull for a Glock would be about 5.5lbs. Double action only. The NY1 trigger id 8lbs. just for added info.

On the New York police department, they have to do finger exercises so they can pull the trigger.

Btw... I read the link you posted. I can completely agree that a heavy trigger pull like they are using is a severe impediment to accuracy.

A bit of historical perspective may be of use here.

Until the mid to late 1980's, police sidearms were almost exclusively double action revolvers with long trigger pulls with weights of between 12 - 14 pounds.

The functionally unnecessary increased Glock trigger pull weight is unquestionably an impediment to fine trigger control. However, those who take responsibility for their own skills will practice harder to compensate.

Those who do not take responsibility for their own skills will not be materially helped by lighter triggers.

The real issues are officers who place their fingers inside the trigger guard before they're ready to shoot, and insufficient range time to maintain proficiency.

That is interesting stuff right there. I can live to be three hundred years old and will never understand or relate to how east coast liberals think. There has to be something in the water up there causing brain damage.

[mojo84]

Here is an interesting perspective from a NYPD officer.

Be warned, there is some language. It is a New York cop after all.

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[VMI77]

Here is an interesting perspective from a NYPD officer.

Be warned, there is some language. It is a New York cop after all.

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He says this:

Missed 12 out of fifty @ 7 yards? GOOD ENOUGH!

Wow.

[03Lightningrocks]

Here is an interesting perspective from a NYPD officer.

Be warned, there is some language. It is a New York cop after all.

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He says this:

Missed 12 out of fifty @ 7 yards? GOOD ENOUGH!

Wow.

That is a pretty low standard for a paper target. Once the target is a human threat, that 12 out of fifty is very likely to become 48 out of fifty.

[A-R]

MOST NYPD officers fire their FIRST gun, ever in their entire lives, at the police academy, some as young as 21 to as old as 35 shooting for their very first time

THIS is one of the most overlooked downsides of the rampant anti-gun philosophy of northeastern states - the reduced pool of people for police (or military) service who have any concept of gun proficiency. Now I know well the argument that it's easier to teach a complete noob than someone who starts with often poor/bad experience with guns, but it also takes a lot longer and costs a lot more money to train a complete noob than someone who as least has the basics down. Not to mention those who only view the gun as a tool likely won't have the needed desire to train hard with their gun after the required qualifying is completed.

Just look at the Brits - many of their LEOs don't even carry guns and have never handled one. Give it another generation or two in libtard utopia and there won't be any police cadets left who even want to carry those scary guns; the fear of guns will be so ingrained within their psyche from childhood.

[VMI77]

Here is an interesting perspective from a NYPD officer.

Be warned, there is some language. It is a New York cop after all.

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He says this:

Missed 12 out of fifty @ 7 yards? GOOD ENOUGH!

Wow.

That is a pretty low standard for a paper target. Once the target is a human threat, that 12 out of fifty is very likely to become 48 out of fifty.

If you read the subsequent comments he says a "hit" is just being on the paper within the standard silhouette. I've never missed the silhouette at 7 yards even shooting offhand, or doing double and triple taps. It's pretty hard to miss a standard silhouette at that distance standing still. I'd consider my shooting to be pretty poor if I couldn't shoot a fist sized group at 15 yards given time to take good aim.