15 year old in NM shoots 5 - here we go again

[K.Mooneyham]

by definition it is not a mass murder, assuming it was done by a family member.
mass murder definition : random slaying of 4 or more people that have no connection to the perp.

Ah, just remember, its whatever the mass media says it is because they reach the widest audience...though I understand that you are technically correct.

[TexasGal]

The 15 year old also planned to murder people at Walmart. He was criminally insane by any definition. He stated he planned this a long time and his 12 year old girlfriend knew he had murdered his mother all day and did nothing.

Here is an article that details what he did. It was cold blooded in the extreme. I was disturbed to even read it. The depth of this kid's mental illness is evident. I too, would like to know if he was on psychotropic medications. He was completely un-remorseful and emotionless in describing his acts to investigators except for one thing. The most emotion he showed to investigators was in describing how much he loved violent video games. He admitted he had been planning and thinking of murdering for quite a while. His reason? He was "frustrated" with his mother. That's it. Notice the guns were unsecured in his parent's closet. Could he have done the same murders with a knife, or hammer, yes, so I am not saying a gun safe would have saved his family's lives. The media will not make this distinction, though.

http://news.yahoo.com/teen-planned-atta ... ories.html

[texanjoker]

That is pretty bad.

[Dragonfighter]

I cannot wait to find out if the perpetrator was taking mind-altering substances, either legal or illegal...if we want to find out, we are going to have to be vigilant in checking all the stories because they'll probably mention it once and then never again, if they mention it at all...it seems just about every one of these mass-killers were on SOMETHING when they did, or had been on something prior to doing, their heinous deeds. If you've never looked up the "side effects" of stuff like Prozac, Paxil, or Zoloft or the other drugs like those, go ahead...it ain't a pretty list.

I know a lot of people don't believe in God these days and even fewer still believe in the Bible, but an eye-opening study is to lookup the Greek word pharmakeia in the Bible and Greek literature. It's always translated sorcerer or witchcraft in the Bible, but its roots are in drugs and drug abuse. It is, of course, the word from which pharmaceuticals is derived. The Greek word was associated with drugs and drug abuse. Pyschopharmaceuticals often open the door for evil to come in to a person's life (as should be obvious by the many anecdotal stories of their use leading to bizarre and deadly behavior.)

One of the best analogies I've ever heard in reference to treating/opening the door to evil by using psychotropics goes something like this:

You have two men fighting for control of a vehicle, one bent on crashing the other fighting to keep it on the road. Mechanics tinker with the car so that it only goes 30 mph and travels straight. One looks to the other and says, "See, I told you the problem was under the hood all along."

[TexasGal]

Latest report I have seen is this kid was not on any medications, had no mental illness "history", and no one in the family reports anything amiss. Mental illness often shows up shortly after puberty in the mid-teens. That would fit. Again, when you partner a person whose mental state is deteriorating with violent video games, that person can become far more desensitized to violent behavior than a normal person. When will the gaming industry be willing to accept maybe we have too much bloodshed in these games.

[TexasGal]

Portions of the kid's written confession have been made public. On the news today, it was reported that he wrote the moment he first began to plan to murder his mother and sister was after watching the movie "Halloween" in which a young man murders his family without remorse. The kid said he felt he would be the same way.

So he identified with the murderer in a horrific movie. This is what we can't seem to get the movie and gaming industry to accept. Normal people identify with the victims of things like this, but those who are either mentally ill or developing mental illness (or just plain evil) identify with the one doing the killing. I saw an advertisement for a new Sly Stallone movie being made. It's called "Bullet to the Head". It made me sick to even see the previews. We do not need movies with titles like this much less it being the subject of an entire movie.

[baldeagle]

This should be a wakeup call, but it won't be.

A police report from the incident shows that Griego admitted to having "homicidal and suicidal thoughts" in the time leading up to the incident.

Griego reportedly gushed to police about his love for violent video games during the interrogation, Houston said. He told police he loved to play Modern Warfare and Grand Theft Auto.

"The suspect was involved heavily in games, violent games, it's what he was into," Houston said. "He was quite excited as he discussed this with our investigators."

We can't continue down this path, exposing young impressionable children to violent movies, tv and video games and expect them to have a normal outlook on violence. I understand all the arguments about the First Amendment, but the causal relationship should be obvious by now.

[TexasGal]

Yeah, but getting Hollywood and the gaming industry to admit it and police themselves is like getting the Tobacco industry to stop selling cigarettes.

[Beiruty]

Portions of the kid's written confession have been made public. On the news today, it was reported that he wrote the moment he first began to plan to murder his mother and sister was after watching the movie "Halloween" in which a young man murders his family without remorse. The kid said he felt he would be the same way.

So he identified with the murderer in a horrific movie. This is what we can't seem to get the movie and gaming industry to accept. Normal people identify with the victims of things like this, but those who are either mentally ill or developing mental illness (or just plain evil) identify with the one doing the killing. I saw an advertisement for a new Sly Stallone movie being made. It's called "Bullet to the Head". It made me sick to even see the previews. We do not need movies with titles like this much less it being the subject of an entire movie.

It was the same thing for Auraro Movie theater mass shooter, The "Joker" wannabe. He wanted to be cold-blood killer like in the batman movie. In that opening scene, Smoke grenade were used, mass shooting at the bank do happen, and "joker" even terminate his gang bangers in called blood too.

[Beiruty]

Yeah, but getting Hollywood and the gaming industry to admit it and police themselves is like getting the Tobacco industry to stop selling cigarettes.

At least, Tobacco are taxed to the max and ID checked,try that with Movies and the Video games. Video games are even obsessively addictive as they are now more immesrive than watching movies. My 6.5yrs old son is now clinically addicted to "Roblox" Lego like virtual world games.

I was too addicted to "Wing Commander" space simulation games but I was a College-age student. Later in my late 30s it was
"Ninja Gaiden II" that it eat my most free time.

[jmra]

I'm amazed at how many parents buy "M" rated video games for their preteen kids. And the number of people I see taking their little kids with them to see rated "R" movies.
My wife and I made the decision many years ago that not only did our kids not need to see Rated R movies, neither did we.
I hear enough vulgarities working at a school. Last thing I want to do is pay to hear more.

[teraph]

When it comes to most video games and movies, isn't it the parents that buy the games for their kids? Aren't the parents in charge of what their kids are allowed to do and watch? Aren't the parents responsible for their children? I know that parents can't control all things that their kids do. I know I gave mine a run for their money somedays, but mine instilled in me that certain things were just wrong (stealing a car, fighting for no reason etc). Blaming video games and movies for children/people misbehaving is like blaming alcohol for DUIs/domestic violence, forks and spoons for making people fat or for guns going off and killing people. As with most things, this all boils down to personal responsibility by both the perpetrator and his parents.
Yes, this even goes for mental issues because the parents have an inherent responsibility to take care of their kid and know when something is amiss. Again, I know how difficult that is, just based off of what I did with my parents, but not impossible. The parents just have to be parents and spend time with their kids doing something other than vegetate on the couch or hand them some cash and tell them to leave you alone.
No offense intended just observations

[TexasGal]

I agree. When my kids were growing up, I did not allow any violent games or R rated movies in my home. Actually, they have been grown for many years and I still do not have these things in my home, nor do I pay money to see them at the theater. However, I was always frustrated to learn their friends saw them and described them in detail to my children. When my children visited others, they saw them in their homes. When kids came to visit my children, they often brought these movies and games with them and I would have to play mommie cop. I don't know what you do to insulate your kids from a world where most adults think there is nothing wrong with these things. I was viewed as an "overprotective" mom by the parents whom I tried to discuss my concerns with.