CHL kills burglar in Houston
-
Topic author - Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 18291
- Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:30 pm
CHL kills burglar in Houston
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Burglary ... 34511.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Awoken by glass breaking at 2 am. Power had been cut to the condo project by a fire. Homeowner decided to stay in unit to protect his property. Burglar decided it was easy picking. Sent to a grand jury.
Awoken by glass breaking at 2 am. Power had been cut to the condo project by a fire. Homeowner decided to stay in unit to protect his property. Burglar decided it was easy picking. Sent to a grand jury.
-
- Member
- Posts in topic: 2
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:34 pm
- Location: Grand Prairie
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
Grand jury for what? The guy came in his house to steal, kill, or whatever else was on his mind. They should be patting the guy on the back instead of treating him like a criminal.
Question everything
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
I believe all shooting go to the Grand Jury. In the end he will probably be No Billed
-
- Moderator
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 6458
- Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:50 pm
- Location: Outskirts of Houston
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
That a case goes to the Grand Jury does not necessarily mean an arrest was made or that the District Attorney has an intent/desire to prosecute.Gameover wrote:Grand jury for what? The guy came in his house to steal, kill, or whatever else was on his mind. They should be patting the guy on the back instead of treating him like a criminal.
For felony charges, Article I, Section 10 of the Texas Constitution requires prosecutors to go to the grand jury to seek an indictment before filing criminal charges. It is the policy of most if not all (IMO) police departments to refer any homicide to their DA; they won't just freshen your ammo supply and tell you that nobody needs to find out, even if they think it was a righteous shoot. If they have reason to believe a violation of the Texas Penal Code has been committed, under law they have to report it to "some magistrate" (Code of Criminal Procedure), which may be the DA, city secretary, mayor, etc.
It is the policy of most (again, IMO) DA offices to refer any homicide case to the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury, after considering the evidence, can choose to "true-bill" or "no-bill." A "no-bill" means that fewer than nine of the 12 Grand Jurors voted to indict and the case is terminated. If "true-billed," then the case goes back to the district, an assistant DA is assigned, and the case is investigated for further action or prosecution. A Grand Jury isn't determining guilt or innocence, only whether the district is allowed to pursue a determination of guilt or innocence.
So referral to a Grand Jury does not mean that prosecution on charges is being sought by anyone involved. It's really a check-and-balance system to ensure objectivity, to safeguard against unwarranted prosecution. Following that system means the responding LEOs can't be accused of making an arbitrary decision of guilt or innocence, and that the DA can't play cronyism and charge or ignore whomever he feels like.
Just my two cents, and since I'm not a lawyer or judge, take it as opinion only.
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
Join the NRA or upgrade your membership today. Support the Texas Firearms Coalition and subscribe to the Podcast.
I’ve contacted my State Rep, Gary Elkins, about co-sponsoring HB560. Have you contacted your Rep?
NRA Benefactor Life Member
I’ve contacted my State Rep, Gary Elkins, about co-sponsoring HB560. Have you contacted your Rep?
NRA Benefactor Life Member
-
- Member
- Posts in topic: 2
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:34 pm
- Location: Grand Prairie
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
Thanks for the info.Skiprr wrote:That a case goes to the Grand Jury does not necessarily mean an arrest was made or that the District Attorney has an intent/desire to prosecute.Gameover wrote:Grand jury for what? The guy came in his house to steal, kill, or whatever else was on his mind. They should be patting the guy on the back instead of treating him like a criminal.
For felony charges, Article I, Section 10 of the Texas Constitution requires prosecutors to go to the grand jury to seek an indictment before filing criminal charges. It is the policy of most if not all (IMO) police departments to refer any homicide to their DA; they won't just freshen your ammo supply and tell you that nobody needs to find out, even if they think it was a righteous shoot. If they have reason to believe a violation of the Texas Penal Code has been committed, under law they have to report it to "some magistrate" (Code of Criminal Procedure), which may be the DA, city secretary, mayor, etc.
It is the policy of most (again, IMO) DA offices to refer any homicide case to the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury, after considering the evidence, can choose to "true-bill" or "no-bill." A "no-bill" means that fewer than nine of the 12 Grand Jurors voted to indict and the case is terminated. If "true-billed," then the case goes back to the district, an assistant DA is assigned, and the case is investigated for further action or prosecution. A Grand Jury isn't determining guilt or innocence, only whether the district is allowed to pursue a determination of guilt or innocence.
So referral to a Grand Jury does not mean that prosecution on charges is being sought by anyone involved. It's really a check-and-balance system to ensure objectivity, to safeguard against unwarranted prosecution. Following that system means the responding LEOs can't be accused of making an arbitrary decision of guilt or innocence, and that the DA can't play cronyism and charge or ignore whomever he feels like.
Just my two cents, and since I'm not a lawyer or judge, take it as opinion only.
![thumbs2 :thumbs2:](./images/smilies/thumbsup2.gif)
![Smile5 :smilelol5:](./images/smilies/smilielol5.gif)
Question everything
-
- Member
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 74
- Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:56 pm
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
Look on the bright side. A grand jury returning no true bill can only help the defense when Quanell X brings stuff to town to sue the victim.
-
- Banned
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 1406
- Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:47 am
- Location: San Leon Texas
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
Happily Ever After wrote:Look on the bright side. A grand jury returning no true bill can only help the defense when Quanell X brings stuff to town to sue the victim.
If I am not mistaken texas law now states that the "victim" cannot be sued because the deceased was in the comission of a felony crime
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 5474
- Joined: Wed May 04, 2005 7:47 pm
- Location: Houston
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
All felonies and some misdemeanors go to grand juries. As do subpoenas for medical records for criminal cases etc.
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 3081
- Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 4:11 pm
- Location: Comal County
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
and even some events that are neither!gigag04 wrote:All felonies and some misdemeanors go to grand juries.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 5240
- Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 8:26 pm
- Location: Richardson, TX
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
According to the article, sending the case to the grand jury is "per protocol".
The homeowner warned the burglar, but he continued to enter the apartment. That's when he took one to the head. I can't imagine this would lead to an indictment. He was in his residence. He warned the burglar before shooting him. He didn't fill him full of lead.
The homeowner warned the burglar, but he continued to enter the apartment. That's when he took one to the head. I can't imagine this would lead to an indictment. He was in his residence. He warned the burglar before shooting him. He didn't fill him full of lead.
The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. James Madison
NRA Life Member Texas Firearms Coalition member
NRA Life Member Texas Firearms Coalition member
-
- Moderator
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 6199
- Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 9:59 pm
- Location: DFW Metro
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
The police didn't treat him like a criminal - they didn't arrest him.Gameover wrote:Grand jury for what? The guy came in his house to steal, kill, or whatever else was on his mind. They should be patting the guy on the back instead of treating him like a criminal.
Grand jury referral is routine.
Excaliber
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 1
- Posts: 569
- Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:49 pm
- Location: Atascocita, TX
Re: CHL kills burglar in Houston
I dunno... to officially proclaim the CHL'er a hero? or send him an attaboy gift basket?Gameover wrote:Grand jury for what?
Alex
NRA Benefactor Life & TSRA Life Member
Bay Area Shooting Club Member
CHL since 7/12 | 28 days mailbox-to-mailbox
NRA Benefactor Life & TSRA Life Member
Bay Area Shooting Club Member
CHL since 7/12 | 28 days mailbox-to-mailbox