Woman beaten inside her car at McDonald's drive thru

[philip964]

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She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.

[Dave2]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru

She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.

Or worse... The article says there were three assailants. At least "Justice for Treyvon's three non-hoodie-wearing, unrelated-to-him-at-all people" doesn't have much of a ring (it'd end up on a sign anyway though).

Then Obama would come on TV and say that if he had three children who liked littering in CO, they'd look like these people...

[knotquiteawake]

In the drive through if there is a car in front of you and behind you then your route of escape is cut off too. Roll up the dang windows and jump the curb I guess.

[Dave2]

In the drive through if there is a car in front of you and behind you then your route of escape is cut off too. Roll up the dang windows and jump the curb I guess.

Yeah... you're only actually stuck if your car can't get through the hedge (I don't think mine could make it without damaging itself though).

[74novaman]

In the drive through if there is a car in front of you and behind you then your route of escape is cut off too. Roll up the dang windows and jump the curb I guess.

This is why I need an suv or truck. I drive a 4 door pontiac grand prix. Its pretty low to the ground, even with stock springs. If I tried jumping any curbs in it, the situation might go badly for me...or the car...and with my luck, probably both.

[VMI77]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru

She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.

Yes, she would be --at least if the lefties decided to make a cause celebre out of it. She's obviously a racist, and further more, just because the male (whose race won't be mentioned) called her a White "B...." doesn't mean it's a hate crime, although, her provocative call out of the alleged litterer may indeed be a hate crime. And anyway, how was this an assault.....all these people did was vigorously exercise their free speech rights and share a soft drink with her.

[Valor]

It is certainly an assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html but I wouldn't be inclined to draw a weapon with the intent to discharge without it being an aggravated assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html.

[Scott in Houston]

It is certainly an assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html but I wouldn't be inclined to draw a weapon with the intent to discharge without it being an aggravated assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html.

Really? If someone was beating on you, you wouldn't draw? I would definitely draw if they're approaching, and if anyone hits me while I'm sitting there, I'm defending myself. If they just throw grape soda and call me a 'whitey', I wouldn't shoot. Also, my window would sure as heck be closed.

[speedsix]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru

She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.

...if you mean wishing with all your heart you could have a do-over...she's probably already in his shoes...maybe she learned a lesson about minding her own business in public and not appointing herself to correct those around her...

...they were totally wrong and broke the law...she was totally wrong first and provoked the incident...had she kept her trap shut...it wouldn't have happened...

[ScooterSissy]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/ar ... drive-thru

She made the mistake of pointing out littering. So if she was a CHL and defended herself with her gun would she be in Zimmerman's shoes.

...if you mean wishing with all your heart you could have a do-over...she's probably already in his shoes...maybe she learned a lesson about minding her own business in public and not appointing herself to correct those around her...

...they were totally wrong and broke the law...she was totally wrong first and provoked the incident...had she kept her trap shut...it wouldn't have happened...

So, we've reached the point where it's "none of our business", except of course, we pay the taxes to pick up after the piggies, and if we mention it, we "provoked" them.

No sir. Not in my book.

[speedsix]

...you could take the same pose about speeders...or shoplifters...and get maybe even more exciting results...there are people to report criminals to who are paid to deal with them...and that's our business...reporting them...mouthing off to a stranger in public is not...she provoked the beating...

[mamabearCali]

...you could take the same pose about speeders...or shoplifters...and get maybe even more exciting results...there are people to report criminals to who are paid to deal with them...and that's our business...reporting them...mouthing off to a stranger in public is not...she provoked the beating...

The definition of provoked is becoming less and less and less. It used to mean if you went up to someone and called them dirty names and told them about their momma--that was provoking. Now saying "thats not cool" to people throwing trash on the ground is "provoking" and can justify a beating? REALLY?!? Cause if that is the case then teachers the world over provoke people when they tell kids to pick up their trash. If this continues we are going to end up at a place where simply being somewhere is considered "provoking" and justifies a beating.

So it is clear they were BITING her hard enough to break the skin! If they have Hepititus, HIV, etc etc that can be a deadly assault. You come over to my car and start to try and bite me you are at minimum getting a face full of pepper spray. The grape soda is assault, simple assault. But the biting and the punching in the face--that is aggravated assault. That can kill. Now it would be better to try and get her window up and get away and then call the cops, rather than shoot them, but if telling a person "it's not cool to litter" makes aggravated assault ok in TX, then that is not a good place to be.

[ScooterSissy]

...you could take the same pose about speeders...or shoplifters...and get maybe even more exciting results...there are people to report criminals to who are paid to deal with them...and that's our business...reporting them...mouthing off to a stranger in public is not...she provoked the beating...

I can't catch up with a speeder to tell them to slow down, but I have told people in my neighborhood that if they don't slow it down, I'm calling the police (and didn't get beaten for it). If I saw somone shoplifting, I very well might make it a point to tell them they were seen, and I could pretty well count on getting a response from the owners of the store if I reported it. If I reported a litterer to those "paid to deal with them", unless it was pretty extreme I'd be ignored.

As far as the "provocation", guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Mentioning that littering is "not cool" is simply not provocation for a physical attack.

[VMI77]

...you could take the same pose about speeders...or shoplifters...and get maybe even more exciting results...there are people to report criminals to who are paid to deal with them...and that's our business...reporting them...mouthing off to a stranger in public is not...she provoked the beating...

The definition of provoked is becoming less and less and less. It used to mean if you went up to someone and called them dirty names and told them about their momma--that was provoking. Now saying "thats not cool" to people throwing trash on the ground is "provoking" and can justify a beating? REALLY?!? Cause if that is the case then teachers the world over provoke people when they tell kids to pick up their trash. If this continues we are going to end up at a place where simply being somewhere is considered "provoking" and justifies a beating.

That place is called the UK, and yes, we're headed there ourselves. It's a class thing. If you littered and were corrected by an eco-Nazi and reacted the same way, you'd be guilty of assault because telling you "that's not cool" wouldn't be provocation. However, those deemed to be in the underclass are victims of society, IOW --people like you and me-- so any criticism, actual, suggested, implied, or just so interpreted by them, that comes from people like us, is provocation, and justifies whatever they do. Just like Mr. Martin being in whatever way considered suspicious by Mr. Zimmerman justifies Mr. Martin administering a beat-down.

[Valor]

It is certainly an assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html but I wouldn't be inclined to draw a weapon with the intent to discharge without it being an aggravated assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.01.00.html.

Really? If someone was beating on you, you wouldn't draw? I would definitely draw if they're approaching, and if anyone hits me while I'm sitting there, I'm defending myself. If they just throw grape soda and call me a 'whitey', I wouldn't shoot. Also, my window would sure as heck be closed.

In my haste, I posted the same statue twice. Here is aggravated assault http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.02.00.html the primary differences between the two are the use of a deadly weapon and serious bodily injury. Make note, I said draw with the intent to discharge. The woman only exhibited bruises and a mild laceration on the finger. Are you willing to go before a grand jury and have your counsel argue that "serious" bodily injury resulted without the exhibition of a deadly weapon, yet you required no stitches, fracture bones, nor a concussion?

My concern is that CHL and MPA begin "protecting" themselves with a gun against non-deadly force / aggravated assault threats arming (pun intended) antigun proponents with energy to attempt to repeal gun carrying rights.

Although I am in agreement with speedsix about not approaching someone over littering and it is not my property, I do not feel she instigated the attack. Keep in mind, as a CHL holder; we are required to steer away from provocations. Yes, in today’s society, speaking up can be provocation. A good prosecutor may be able to argue that the CHL only approached the gang of litterers because she was armed and not a good Samaritan.